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MJW (ya that one) Wrote:The link comes from the fact that although smoking hurts money-wise at first it heals money-wise later making up for it. Just like it hurts when a good villager gets killed it heals a lot when a good werewolf gets lyched.
Ok, if that's all there is to it then I understand it, and can now say with confidence that it's an awful analogy.
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The herbalist ran round trying to convince everybody that [strike]Meiz[/strike] looked suspicious and wolf like, but nobody seemed to listen, and alot started to make gestures of smoking as he ran around, some even turned and accused him of being a wolf!
Glancing over at Meiz he noticed the man wink briefly towards a group, and shortly after he was sure he saw MJW nod and look in his direction. It was clear the two of them were working together and were going to eat the herbalist!
Deciding one wolf was as good as the other, he joined in with the others chanting for the Inquisitor to hang, after all they had no trouble with werewolves until he came
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My initial votes were based purely on the villagers roles. Since nobody seems interested in Meiz, it makes sense to switch my vote to Lewwyn or MJW if I want it to be effective, and some of MJW's suggestions (ie kill the best villagers) just seem crazy to me
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Irgy Wrote:MJW (ya that one) Wrote:The link comes from the fact that although smoking hurts money-wise at first it heals money-wise later making up for it. Just like it hurts when a good villager gets killed it heals a lot when a good werewolf gets lyched.
Ok, if that's all there is to it then I understand it, and can now say with confidence that it's an awful analogy.
Yeah, I actually still don't understand how it makes sense. I understand what the analogy is supposed to be but it is simply illogical and seemingly based on some kind of fact, which also doesn't make sense the way its presented. It's a little like hearing one side of a conversation and person whose side you're listening to has multiple personalities.
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Roland Wrote:That said, I can't see why you (Rowain) would take such a firm stance against what was merely a polite request for fairness, equality, and enjoyment for all.
May I remind you that Sandover (you do remember thats the wolf you workd hard to lynch on day1) was a firsttimer in WW2.
Is it possible that Selrahc is a wolf again and his request is aimed at people like you to protect some of his young packmates? Like for example Pocketbeetle who was killed early in Game1? or for example Jkaen?
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A bit less than 8 hours to go so time for another tally:
Mayor:
9v: novice(Bobchillingworth, Zakalwe, novice, Roland, Gold ergo sum, sandover, MJW, Cull,Mr Nice Guy)
5v: Rowain(Ichabod, scooter, Rowain, Bruindane, uberfish)
2v: Irgy (Mardoc, Meiz)
1v: Meiz ( Selrahc )
1v: fire & ice ( Jkaen)
1v: Ichabod( Pocketbeetle)
1v: Mr Nice Guy(Irgy)
1v: Jkaen (Lewwyn)
1v: Bruindane(fire & ice)
Not voted: Serdoa
Lynch:
6v: MJW(Serdoa, Selrahc, Bobchillingworth, Mr Nice Guy, Cull,Jkaen)
5v: Lewwyn ( Roland, Zakalwe, Ichabod, MJW,fire & ice)
4v: Pocketbeetle (Rowain, scooter, novice,Bruindane )
2v: Cull(Meiz, sandover)
2v: novice (uberfish, Pocketbeetle)
1v: fire & ice( Irgy )
1v: sandover ( Gold ergo sum)
1v: Mr Nice Guy(Mardoc)
1v: Ichabod ( Lewwyn )
Not voted:
PS This time I have put the voting history in spoilertags. Tell me if you prefer it that way or not.
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MJW (ya that one) Wrote:A much simpler way to say my idea it that if you have no way of knowing who is a werewolf you might as well change the playerbase in a way to help you. A game full of bad players needs to have a higher werewolf ratio to be balanced.
This a much better way of phrasing it, and when you say it like that I can agree that it makes sense. I wish all your posts could be as clear as this little nugget. Ironically, in stating this you demonstrate that you may indeed be a good player deep down, so if I were to take your advice I should vote to lynch you. 
Anyway, I like the abstract idea of trying to influence the environment to become less favorable for wolves. I guess the most common instance of that strategy is to encourage discussion, but your strategy of lynching good players is another interesting instance, theoretically speaking. In practice though, I have zero interest in trying to actively target good players. It's probably suboptimal, but I'd like to catch the wolves by outwitting them, not by pre-emptively lynching anyone who seems intelligent. And I think the logic behind your strategy is slightly circular anyway, since the players you end up targeting will by definition be bad wolves.
This applies to any strategy, really: if you openly state your strategy, a good wolf should be able to adapt to it and avoid suspicion. Similarly, if you openly list a number of perceived wolf tells, you can no longer rely on them to be accurate.
Anyway, I can see why you and Irgy appear to connect; your thoughts remind me a little of his posts in WW2 about casting his votes in such a manner that the wolves would be forced to alter their behavior to benefit the village. Granted, Irgy was a wolf in WW2, but he sounded sincere about that strategy.
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Regarding Selrahc's request, I am certainly willing to consider past history when I'm casting arbitrary votes, though I feel we will soon be moving past that stage. That was actually part of the reason why I looked around for a third candidate to lynch when MJW and fire&ice were in the lead. As noted, I am not sold on MJW being a wolf, and I felt an early bandwagon on him would teach us very little. At the same time, I would feel really uncomfortable with casting an arbitrary vote for fire&ice, who got killed on the first night in WW1, when I had the power to save him.
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Rowain Wrote:PS This time I have put the voting history in spoilertags. Tell me if you prefer it that way or not.
Yeah that definitely looks better to me. Thanks for taking the time to compile tallies.
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zakalwe Wrote:Anyway, I can see why you and Irgy appear to connect; your thoughts remind me a little of his posts in WW2 about casting his votes in such a manner that the wolves would be forced to alter their behavior to benefit the village. Granted, Irgy was a wolf in WW2, but he sounded sincere about that strategy.
I was sincere about everything I said in WW2 except Roland's lynch. Even voting to protect Scooter the day before I was lynched was a natural vote. Although it's hard even for me to know exactly what I'd have done as a villager - just the fact that if I was a villager there'd have to have been another wolf in the game throws a spanner in the logic that late in the piece.
It's funny that you describe us as "connect"ing when I've done almost nothing but argue with him the whole time so far, but I can see a twisted logic in it.
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