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WW16: The Outlaws and The Olives

novice Wrote:Could you try explaining why you have that hunch?

His first post declaring his villagerness on day 1, and on day three he popped up late to help herd people onto Merovech are the main two moments that stick out. Not particularly conclusive or convincing stuff at this stage, but apparently it's better if I post my wild guesses.

Quote:Start here and read the next four or five posts by Ichabod.
http://www.realmsbeyond.net/forums/showt...post296969

His posts basically shamed everyone into moving their vote off Mattimeo.

I'm not convinced personally. I do find post 1818 rather interesting in hindsight, but it seems to fall in the "watch closer" category rather than the "lynch now" category.

I'm going to stick with pindicator and call it a night, hopefully that ends up being the right move.
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Gaspar Wrote:I'm curious to see what, if any, movement occurs given our current set of candidates.

You said the same thing prior to another lynch, I forget which one. What did you learn then?
I have to run.
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Rowain
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Okay, willing to go for Rowain. I felt like his vote on Matt came out of nowhere, which felt like a bus. Watching from the sidelines before deciding Matt goes down. I don't recall him being on the first bus attempt either.

Rowain files:

Defended thestick. Asked if it's too late for uberfish BW (was unclear if he meantbandwagon or bronze working though... ;D)
This was after Serdoa made the vote on thestick, making it:

thestick - 8 - zakalwe, novice, Bigger, Merovech, tasunke, Mattimeo, Arromir, Serdoa
Bigger - 4 - Rowain, Lewwyn, Injera, Jkaen
Mattimeo - 3 - thestick, Sareln, uberfish
Gaspar - 2 - Catwalk, Selrahc
Injera - 2 - Gaspar, Waterbat
Sareln - 1 - Molach
uberfish - 1 - Qgqqqqq
Waterbat - 1 - Azza
Jkaen - 1 - Meiz

Basically encouraging votes away from both thestick and Matt, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=314

Agrees with novices list, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=490
Qgqq, Pind, Merovech, Ichabod, Sareln
Runners: uber, Gaspar, TT
(and would add me and Jkaen as well)

If Rowain = wolf, maybe novice has been kept alive because his list was/is wrong?

Believed both Injera and Matt were innocent.
http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....count=1907

http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....count=1916
"Injera a notch towards villager and Matt stays scummy"

Votes Matt, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....count=2110
"In short now show us how truly you want to lynch Mattimeo"

Qgqqqqq - 7 - Molach, Selrahc, tasunke, Gaspar, Twinkletoes89, Jkaen, Mattimeo
Mattimeo - 6 - novice, Waterbat, Catwalk, Meiz, Ichabod, Rowain
Catwalk - 2 - Injera, Azza
Injera - 2 - Qgqqqqq, Pindicator
Selrahc - 1 - Lewwyn

Players not voting: Arromir

//crossposting with Selrahc and getting sudden urge to pull my vote back... scared
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Is there forum clock wrong btw?
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At least Pindicator is putting up a fight, and I really do want him to be innocent - I just wish I could know for sure.

Rowain - lets see what you can do
"You want to take my city of Troll%ng? Go ahead and try."
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Official lynch Vote Count

Rowain - 5 - novice, Pindicator, Selrahc, Meiz, Twinkletoes89
Pindicator - 4 - Jkaen, Gaspar, Azza, Ichabod
Ichabod - 3 - Lewwyn, Catwalk, Waterbat
Selrahc - 2 - Molach, tasunke
Azza - 1 - Rowain

Players not voting: None
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novice Wrote:Okay, about Ichabod. Like Lewwyn said, he's been swinging in and out of my scumdar. He was a target on day 2 due to his day 1 performance, but on late day 2 and day 3 he came into his own and started acting like an earnest scumhunter. Then on day 4 I thought I saw the return of scummy Ichabod - some of his cases just seemed contrived. (Echoing Lewwyn again here.)

With day 5 I felt good about Ichabod again, because he voted Mattimeo in the final half-hour of day 4, and his "HELL YEAH" reaction to Mattimeo's flip echoed mine exactly. But objectively, his day 4 performance consisted of forcefully shutting down the Mattimeo wagon early, and then he did a late vote switch to Mattimeo when it looked like he might go down (his was the fifth vote).

So in summary Ichabod does fall into the grey zone and if people I lean village on prefer to lynch him over e.g. Pindicator or Rowain I'm open to it. But I would very much like to hear what other people think.

novice Wrote:I explained MY reasons for voting you in my own post.

However, we're just flailing about. This is day 2 all over again. And Rowain is watching from the shadows again.

And the most vocal part of your reasoning is exactly what that missing post in Lewwyn's post explains, why I changed my mind about Mattimeo.

Let's not forget the the first Mattimeo push was mainly based on not having any other candidate and he was our claimed banner at that time. Also, let's not forget than when I voted Qgqqqq he was another claimed tracker (2 with Injera, before things were clarified) and we didn't know he was innocent.

I'll be back in a few hours.
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Meiz Wrote:What if we have both Azza&Selrahc as wolves, hence causing the situation of two wolves on top at day 1. And if Jkaen would be a wolf as well, we'd already have 5 players who are not that good at influencing the votes and most of the pushes were done by villagers. I mean everyone always expects clever wolf tactics, busses for alibies and devilish schemes. But ultimately it depends on the wolf team, and the roles were assigned randomly. I guess I'm suggesting the total opposite of Gaspar's theories.
I do have to pull the Jkaen & Selrahc combo out, since Jkaen really pushed Selrahc to hang on day 2...
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Meiz Wrote:Ichabod's defense post reminded me of this post, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....count=1947
He thought Matt's power would act as a role block. Wolves would be quite aware how it works? undecided
Jkaen did it as well:
http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....count=1950
http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....count=1951
http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....count=1955
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