[PB61 spoilers] vanrober lonely in a green field

[vanrober]

Turn 111

I want to start settling the spaces that there is left and i have already dotmaped. But then Bellarch seems to think the same as i did, with the problem of his spot being much better than me and closer of him than it is for me. Claiming all those forest can be huge for any of us. Either getting all the buildings done fast or chop a fast army as i did with Marigold. He is playing really early so he is more likely to get the spot.

Also i have been thinking, do i want to make a border there? right now bellarch has me really far so i woulndt spect any atack to me, if i start making border cities with him then he might come. Also if i declare war to jesse next turn i would be in 2 front war (for some reason Rekenner didnt want peace) and if i settle in bellarch face i would make another enemy. And i think that shouldnt be good. I moved my 2 movers in case he does something crazy but i dont think he will.

So instead i think ill settle in the south claiming the silvers of rekenner.

   

Also, if we look at tech, bellarch is best on gnp. But i think he is trying to hide his power. I think he is running his civ at 60% or so since getting MC in 4 turns its slow. I took it several turns ago in 3 turns and he has KTB for it. Ive been doing maths and: That tech is 448 raw beakers, divided by 1.25 because of Pre and KTB makes it 358beakers, 3 turns research without any OF (something unlikely) is 119 b/turn and i get 60% 110b/turn, so i think he would be more or less like that, assuming 30b of OB is not too much i would say. Also he has more GNP than me being at 100% so he has more gold than me, which makes even possible to be on 50% or even less. Why i know he has more gpt? Well doing the maths We have the same amount of wonders and with the exact same culture each. his SH is giving him 13cult/turn that i dont have, but my courthouses are giving me 20Eps/turn when he has none, if we add some extra culture from his libraries, that i guess he has some, we are more or less even. And his 60 or 50 % is still having more gnp than me at 100%, that only can mean he has more gpt income.

We need to worry about him. Mjmd and him are making a huge game so far. I said to jack, war to bellarch and did the same to Amicalola. Right now Bellarch is 3rd on power and not far from me (im second). So the only way to recover from him i think is grabbing more cities, so im going to start in the next 2 turns 2 settlers to settle all the south of rekenner. But then i need more missionaries. Mayking 2 next turn but until those are settled in a city i cant make more.

I was also thinking what if i warpeace him? I would get 2 things with that, 10 turns of safety and also i would fuck a bit this passive income since the TR are fuked when you have been in war. So i would get safety and screw a bit his gold, but losing also my 8gpt is huge... And also i just know 2 of his cities, so i need to know the rest so that my city vision is worth

Demos and graphs so you understand better what i was saying about bellarch.

       

So this is a closer overview of my empire. 

       

Edit, forgot to mention about Bing, he has 1 defender of rekenner left so he gets the city, it was a wounded axe so i could have raze the city with my chariot, i think it makes no sense to fuck bing, so i sent him coper stone again with crab crab since he took the clams clams of yesterday, i guess he got the message of peaceful intention last turn, and since he took it i guess he agreed.

[vanrober]

Turn 112

Searched a bit deeper into Bellarch and he has a settler, he would settle before me since he is playing when im sleeping, so i sent my settler towards silver, also moved my small stack towards my land so he doesnt see any threat from me. 

   

Declared war on Jesse, i planned to play this late and went out of home for the whole day and then jesse played in my afternoon, I expected to arribe a bit later and play in the morning, but when i see he played that fast changed my plans to arribe a bit sooner for the pace. Again missplayed thinking my Ha would fork both cities next turn, but they will next turn, not as bad. Hopefully i get few loses with this war. He didnt whip any of the cities i knew for the whole war, i hope he doesnt start next turn. Funny that i oppen the turn with this... Cmon bro, i ve sent you so many times that and now that you are dead you want me to be peaceful with you?... you have to be kidding.

   

In this picture you will se what i would call my land hopefully soon. 

   

This turn i got silver and i sent amica fish- fish silver, i want him to be my friend and i dont mind to give him a luxury to warranty that. I asked after that he should stop giving gold to bellarch for free. Maybe he is worried about a backstabb. But i would still want amica to focus on he is the problem. And im his solution

Jack is rising his power a lot, and started whiping, i sent him war vs bellarch, although i guess backstabbing bing makes more sense to him, nad i also sent bellarch war with jack, if he backstabb jack and jack holds him somehow it would be a great sceenario for me. I am planning to whip more to get jesse out of the game soon and also to relieve my army so that can snipe a bit of bing once jack destroys him. Actually the problem might be Bellarch joining vs Bing. But well nothing we can do about it.

       

Im sorry for not taking away the grid. I forgot, and i also didnt bother to go again in the tutorial of Chariu to disable that option.

My demos are recovering because of the whiping of jack but i dont plan to stop the whiping, at least 3 or 4 more turns of slavery before caste to tech crazy. I will whip a couple of settlers and several HA in this turns.

   

[vanrober]

Turn 113

Not sure if last turn or this turn but ive missplayed hard, i dont think it deserves a reload although it would be so nice. Somehow last turn played midnight didt work well, i forgot to see events (rek and bing are on peace, so i guess rekenner want me to free him form game, since ive asked for peace so many times and he doesnt want to accept.) and i forgot to cancel the movement of the missionary for the new city. So when i was moving units and took the settler the missionary was moved before the road of the city was builded and lost all his movement, and then i couldnt make another missionary on other city. also i fucked up and since i was tilted by this i settled the city before the worker completed the chop so i lost 20h for violet that were making another missionary in one turn, and now it takes 3 turns, so yeah that mistake is hurting me so hard.

   

Then jesse whiped his Essen from 6 to 4, so i expect 2 archers in the next 2 turns i would say, but maybe its even a spear. I would love josh to destryo his copper, but im unsure how i could tell him to do so. he didnt whip frankfourt so i would rather get that city next turn and then wait for reinforcements to get essen. Probably.

All my demos are second possition but land, that is first. just funny. Also population, who would think im whiping? i am the one with most cities with josh and almost last in pop xD

   

Ill go back ingame and ill ask for copper to jesse, i hope he doesnt think im gonna kill him or anything like that...


Bellarch decided to settle in the desert hill, which might make more sense, that way its colser to him and also the hill will protect that city, also letting me to settle for the rice, i love this guy.

   

[vanrober]

Turn 114

Im crazy this turn, im completely amazed of the randomness.

First i saw Josh double moved me in the war, which can be problematic, and then i thought well he might go for the capitol and he has no competence, he is looking my stack since he has a scout on them. Then i go in game, and see Frankfourt with 3 jesse defenders (1 archer and 2 axes) and i use my stack to kill them since that city is already confuncionist and the sooner i get it the better for the culture war. And when i take it i saw several josh units 1 tile from the city and injured, with some back ups going towards that city. Then i look events and i see Jesse recaptured Frankfurt and gemscity!!!!!!! Wtf josh bro, im giving you silver for free and you are trying to take this cities from me in my face double moving me? We have a saying in spanish for this: "Le das la mano y te coge el brazo" Something like "you give him the hand and he takes the whole arm" He is teching with the capture gold, but this cities are costing him so much, it really makes no sense to get them all, even more if you leave unprotected the cities of your own....

               

So i would like to ask lurkers what should we do with the war turn split, i have been playing before amica for so long, and this turn josh just played before me, should i play from now on after him during this war?

So the problem now is that he can declare on me next turn if he feels like, recapturing that city, i really wish he doesnt, other wise i lost game and so he will. I hope he is not pissed off by this capture, when we agreed with me atacking jesse im not sure what were his thinking, maybe i just take Essen? Cant he see that if i take Essen and he takes Frankfourt our border will be ugly again? Somehow i feel he wants to mess with me when im being really nice with him.

Rekenner just want to finish this game, he has no units in the copper city, and its just screeming me to die. i hope he is not taking this experience as the last one and tries some more luck after this game. He was playing really nice the first 30 or 40 turns, i thought we was the clear favourite to win this game...


So probably those units are going towards jesse front, Bing left undefended his oldrekenner city i guess going to defend from jack as i warned him. The problem is that he spent money on EPs to take my demos from him, which is not a really nice behaviour... Is he really gonna try to hit me with just axes? I hope a couple of xbows take away that idea from him.

Jack isnt really making an army, his power is getting flat now.

Im scouting bellarch already and have vision in all his cities i know, which is nice. He finally settled o the hil as i said.

I whiped 4 cities this turn, 2 settlers and 2 HA, next turn another 2 HA will be builded with the overflow, and ill whip several forges on the empire, making xbows afterwards. Tech plan is getting construction (2 turns 100%) and then monarchy and feudalism (i think jack is going for those, not sure why, he could just destroy bing so easy) He took mist, med and this turn getting prieshood, not sure what he wants if its not monarchy and feud...

So my demos are becoming a bit worse, but again, once i get my 20sh cities online they should improve a lot! Lets think its temporally.

       

Finally you can see ive changed the name if this 3 cities. Im moving units towards erica since there were 4 barbarian units, 2 archers and 2 axes there. I lost a HA vs an archer with a 89% odds, it was sad.

   

feel free to ask for anything, im the only one reporting every turn and i might not say some things you think that are interesting

[Charriu]

Turn 114

Im crazy this turn, im completely amazed of the randomness.

First i saw Josh double moved me in the war, which can be problematic, and then i thought well he might go for the capitol and he has no competence, he is looking my stack since he has a scout on them. Then i go in game, and see Frankfourt with 3 jesse defenders (1 archer and 2 axes) and i use my stack to kill them since that city is already confuncionist and the sooner i get it the better for the culture war. And when i take it i saw several josh units 1 tile from the city and injured, with some back ups going towards that city. Then i look events and i see Jesse recaptured Frankfurt and gemscity!!!!!!! Wtf josh bro, im giving you silver for free and you are trying to take this cities from me in my face double moving me? We have a saying in spanish for this: "Le das la mano y te coge el brazo" Something like "you give him the hand and he takes the whole arm" He is teching with the capture gold, but this cities are costing him so much, it really makes no sense to get them all, even more if you leave unprotected the cities of your own....

I'm trying to understand the situation on the ground. You mention he has a scout with your stack. Was this scout following your stack for the last 3 turns?

Also, but this won't help you, in Germany we have a similar saying. There it's "you give him the finger and he takes the whole hand".

[Tarkeel]

I guess the most pertinent question is, did you inform him of a turnsplit? I think the best course now is to play after him, and inform him of that.

[vanrober]

Well, as i said, i thought it was obvious once you get in a dogpile vs someone. So i didnt inform. Maybe i also thought Amica would tell him?

In any case i can totally say from now on. I wanted you to confirm that what i was saying has sense. Also i didnt know he has an army close to frankfurt in any case, i figured this turn when conquered the city.

About the scout, im not sure actually how many turns he had it there, i have no pictures from turn 113, and on turn 112 he hadnt. So maybe its new from this turn 114 and he didnt know. 

In any case i dont wanna blame him since i might think he knew and he didnt. I guess i should call for it now?

[vanrober]

Im going to writte again what happened so that you can understand better, you know my language gap somethimes.

Turn 112 I declare war after Jesse and play before Amica. No scout around and i cant atack any city.

Turn 113 I play after Jesse before Amica/josh. I put 6 HA in range of Frankfourt and Essen. I dont remember if i see or not a scout over there. Then josh play after me and could put a scout there, not sure if he did then or on turn 114 since i played after him this turn.

And in this double turn on turn 113 he gets Frankfourt and turn 114 jesse recapture, then he played and didnt recapture and then i played and captured it. So i am actually not seeing a huge problem right now but it could be for the following turns, and i dont want that to happen. So should i just ask for a turnsplit getting the second half? Should we just play on without tursplit? should i double turn back? Maybe should i ask him?

[vanrober]

Turn 115

No diplo no events this turn. 

Weirdly josh didnt atack me, and he is going towards the east, instead of the capitol, wtf.... I have 2 movers so im getting to taht city faster. Also im lucky enough that was able to snipe 4 workers from that city, i think they were choping units crazily. Im unsure if ill be able to get the city with 2 HA but next turn i can put 4 more if needed. Im leaving Essen for now, since i have no copetence for it, it has 3 archers now which means i need 6 HA to get it. Several HA are coming from the rekenner from and some others are being builded in closer cities.

   

Right now im building mostly infrastructure, forges in the old cities and courthouses and granaries in the new ones, since i cant keep whip units to stay on the pack. Why i say this? Because i was wrong a few turns ago, the guy with crazy GNP is Jack and now its clearly seen in the grapsh screen. Its also because he was teching known tech, but thankfully he is giving me some KTB for monarchy and feud probably. for ebing honest some of his GNP will be culture, since the only 3 cities i know from jack all of them have a library, but still, i have wonders and he doesnt and i have EPs and he doesnt.

           

You can also see that im really whiped down in demos, i am the guy with most cities and most land in the world and the worst in population. I need to rise my cities fast to stay competent.

Bellarch is doing some military he has some cats and some small stacks, but far from my kingdom.

Also, i have 2 peak islands to go towards amica and i have 192816492846124 peak islands towards jack, i have been trying to get there for more than 20 turns and i dont find the path xD (look at minimap of any of my screenshots)

Finally, i feel that if josh keep doing this weird moves i could totally get more jesse land than him when he has cats and praets. I cant really understand what he is doing.

[vanrober]

Turn 116

Josh saw i was taking the city with my HA and then went towards jesse's capitol, which seems a right choice, but i think he should have done that much before.

I indeed to his city and 6 juicy workers on the way. I ve got 116g out of the capture but no buildings on the city, really sad about this last thing. The money allowed me to 1 turn Construction which is massive i think, then going for feud. Essen got 4 archers right now, its gonna be costly that city. I might need 5 more turns to get my 2 movers to atack that city... maybe i should get a catapult to speed that up a bit.

right now the problem are missionaries, only being able to build 3 and needing several turns to get to the new cities make me unable to keep making until they convert, so its taking a long time.

Right now im 18 cities which is a lot, i have 2 settlers for the rekenner area and i can make more than 3 more fillers, but im not sold on fillers, ive never really understand its purpose if they are not getting many good tiles, i think its just losing gold so i wont rush them. Tell me why i should make them in case you think im stupid for not doing them now.

in 5 turns ill have 15 or 20gpt more out of courthouses and that will help my economy a bit. I dont feel really behind, just jack is teching crazy. Bellarch is on breakeven getting HBR and his power is spiking, i just see units towards jack, so im warning him. If they get a costly war going on it will be awesome for me. Once i finish with jesse after Essen ill get al my military on bings border, he has empty his rekenner city and if belalrcha nd jack go towards him to have fun i think ill be able to snipe a couple of cities.

My possition is being really nice, so i guess they will try to dogpile into me in some moment, so i think after feud getting engeneering is a must. I prefere to defend and consolidate my winnings rather than keep making units crazily and try to eat them with knights right now. But ofc ill need to change plans according to what i see out of them.

Ive asked some gpt to bing in exchange of my silver, but he is just with 6gpt so i dont think he is doing so.

Im thinking whether i want to extort some more Bellarch now that i have 20sh cities... getting just 8gnp out of them seems little. Getting circunnavigation for me would be really profitable also, so maybe engeneering into optics makes sense, or maybe the other way around makes even more sense. I would also liek to see if there is any astro island. right now i dont want to get astro at all since i got colossus but if they are nice it will probably be worth getting them in exange of colosus.