WW16: The Outlaws and The Olives

[novice]

That's silly, Rowain. We can use that to identify suspects, and we did. But we have to vote for someone who feels scummy.

[novice]

I don't know what to think of Rowain's role. Seems overpowered for either side. Selrahc, what's your take?

[Catwalk]

What's your full role description Rowain?

[Selrahc]

Selrahc, what's your take?

It's potentially true.

A player being fully lynchproof makes almost no sense as a Wolf role, unless there are several ways of doing Vig kills, or a multiple pack game. In what we've seen of this setup? I would discount the possibility of a fully lynchproof wolf. The only exception may be if the wolf also has a clause that they lose if they are the last wolf left.

A lynchproof villager is less of an imbalancing factor, because the wolves can always just execute them in the night phase.

There are some possibilities outside of the Lynchproof role Rowain seems to be claiming. Rowain could be either limited Lynchproof, or be working with a "Mafia Lawyer"(which I would call a Day Baner).

Limited Lynchproof would be something along the lines of 1-shot immunity to lynch. Makes sense for a villager, makes sense for giving the role to a wolf.

Day baner would be a protective role that stops somebody being killed by lynches. Really scary on a wolf team, and often coming with a caveat that the day baner can't use it on themselves. I'm not sure Rowain would be a logical target for a wolf day baner to protect though. He wasn't drawing a lot of flak...

I think any kind of Lynchproof being on the wolf side though, is a very very powerful role. If Rowain is a wolf, we *need* to lynch him again to win. That means we need to absorb kills from today's night phase, and tomorrows night phase just to lynch one wolf. I would say the role makes a lot more sense as a village one.

[Selrahc]

Oh hells, did a little browsing of the Mafiascum wiki and there are some troubling alternative possibilities.

The "Judas" and the "Saulus". The Judas is town aligned until lynched, at lynch they aren't killed, but swap sides to wolf. The "Saulus" is a possessed who becomes a villager.

[Tasunke]

Judas would be worst possible result

[Rowain]

That's silly, Rowain. We can use that to identify suspects, and we did. But we have to vote for someone who feels scummy.

novice since night1 I have assumed you to be village. Please stop this nonsense. Are you really telling me that you didn't find anybody scummy in those non-Matt voters? That I tried to persuade TT to kill the target he was the whole time after to gethim to back off after he already voted for somebody else?

The "Judas" and the "Saulus". The Judas is town aligned until lynched, at lynch they aren't killed, but swap sides to wolf. The "Saulus" is a possessed who becomes a villager.

Interesting roles but the Judas would be a bit too strong especially for a village that doesn't have a seer (at least nobody claimed) or a Baner while the wolves did have a role to guard vs nightactions.
I can assure you i'm still villager and also that you won't be able to lynch me tomorrow or any other day

[Tasunke]

I can assure you i'm still villager and also that you won't be able to lynch me tomorrow or any other day

What I wonder is, why didn't you claim sooner?

[Lewwyn]

What I wonder is, why didn't you claim sooner?

Yes, let's tell the wolves they shouldn't try to mislynch him. GOOD ONE!

[novice]

Ok, I guess I was wrong about Rowain. An unlynchable wolf or a wolf day baner would be terrible balancewise anyway, so I'm willing to lean quite heavily on that not being the case, and lynch Brick in the postgame thread if that assumption is wrong.

At least we didn't waste a mislynch (and now we can't do TTs plan without wasting one :D).

I guess we Rowain lynchers look pretty bad from this, although I'll remind you that a villager lynch doesn't mean much when we don't know the alignments of the other players on the block.

Fwiw Gaspar's nervousness was either cleverly faked or a big village tell.