WW11 - Civilization

[Cyneheard]

Mardoc ... you wound me.

Nah not really, pretty sure your a wolf, so you voting on me is likely nothing personal. We still cool

Could you explain why Mardoc is reading as suspicious? I either missed it in your meanderings, or you haven't given an argument at all.

[Tasunke]

(@ Cyneheard) Gladly. I'll start with the obvious stuff.

1. (for whatever reason) first vote is apparantly considered a joke vote (see whenever someone called my vote vs Scooter as a joke vote.

-Mardoc did not follow Lewwyn's joke vote

2. Lewwyn's second vote (potentially his first real vote) was against me, and Mardoc hopped on only calling it a "parallel reason"

3. Lewwyn later revealed that the 2 reasons he had for voting me was for RP reasons, and later he said it wasn't RP, but because I was annoying him (potentially due to my role playing post).

4. The Greeks were usually quite amicable with the Romans, seeing they shared much culture and all. I mean, while the Romans were technically 'rulers' of Greece, iirc it was in name only, and they were on quite amiable terms. In fact, the Greeks among others were those that backed Brutus when he and some of the other Senators went against the Augustus-Marc Antony duo for a while. Granted, they had a better chance of winning before Augustus temp allies with Antony ... but I digress

5. I do not think that Mardoc is the type to get annoyed by role playing posts, and I think he knows enough about history to not consider Greeks vs Romans 'particularly RP'

6. His post was very brief, and he has hardly said anything at all. Trying to keep under the radar rather hard. Trying to survive day 1? or Wolf?

This started my suspicions of mardoc.

7. Scooter mentioned that rolling the dice is more likely to hit on a 'low count poster', and voted (Jkaen? I think) for similar reasons.

8. Mardoc was pressing heavily against me, even before I 'diplomatically' voted against you in an attempt to forge an alliance with MJW.

(I still had some suspicions against you before hand, but they were largely floating around in my head. Once MJW reminded me that you were the early poster "I had forgotten who was the early poster ... yes I don't re-read the entire thread each time before I make a post, perhaps I should start", I was convinced enough to forge ahead with my 'proactive' form of diplomacy.

9. Assuming you are a villager, my vote against you was a potentially fatal mistake that puts me on the chopping block, and a fellow innocent on the chopping block. However since I am an easier target, the Werewolf (Mardoc) edges the crowd on towards a further dogpile

10. If you were a werewolf, then your hidden ally Mardoc considers it safe to start a bandwagon against me at this point, due to my risky but correct allies. Whether or not Mardoc's ally Lewwyn is confident enough to help Mardoc along with this plan, while not inciting suspiction, is yet to be seen.

So finally, while I consider you a 'potential' werewolf, I am more convinced than ever of Mardoc's guilt.

If you are indeed a villager, then perhaps we should consider and discuss laying our votes towards Mardoc.

[Tasunke]

at point 10 ... it is probably more correct to say "due to my risky but correct decision" ...

But due to my current certainty of Mardoc's guilt, I would feel safer (aka more certain with my accuracy) with a vote for Mardoc (rather than you) if I have some support.

[Lewwyn]

SO did you write this or did your wolfy friends write it for you?

The people who REALLY want to lynch me seem to be Lewwyn and Mardoc imho.

I consider Lewwyn as high possibility of wolf,

while mardoc is medium possibility of wolf,

and catwalk and cyneheard as low possibilities of wolf.

Equally I consider MJW as high possibility of villager,

with Scooter and Novice as medium possibility of villager,

and Meitz as possible villager.

That being said, its possible that a great number of people want to lynch me ... but I'd like to be able to help a more seasoned villager get at least 1 or 2 days worth of lynchings on possible wolves before I end up dying due to any number of reasons (both villager and wolf it seems)

If I wasn't so certain that MJW was a villager, I would be much more concerned with his own notions of lynching me. I mean, I think Scooter mentioned voting for me at one point, but I'm beginning to think he is a villager as well, so I'm not really concerned with him at the moment. My highest concern are potential wolves that also wish to lynch me. (Especially since I would like to see this through to the end, being my first WW game and all)

So here's my deal. I first voted for Tasunke because I felt he was a good target to get a read on plus he annoyed me and it was legitimate roleplay. As far as actual suspicion, it was only slight because he was a new player. I did think he jumped around too much and really seemed overly excited. The issue then became: someone put a muzzle on him. After that he posted his vote on me, stand alone. That was pretty much what cinched it as I've said before. Then he continued to vote in this manner for Cyneheard. When he started getting some he he has a small post and then leads out with the big one up top. I mean I can just see someone trying to teach him. Do this, do that.

Now I was going to let him slide in favor of Scooter today, but it seems others have noticed it too and I don't want a replay of Pling's first game. New players can be wolves too. You want to coddle them? Well Selrahc told us to coddle Bruindane in WW3 (I think?) and they were both wolves. I'm of the opinion you always kill the most likely wolf.

Tasunke

[Tasunke]

This being my first forum WW game, of course I will make mistakes earlier on. I saw that by making numerous posts, people began to suspect me as a wolf. Really felt like a sheep in wolf's clothing at that point, as I was not entirely certain what made me read like a wolf, other than posting a lot.

My one word vote against you was directly in response to the preceding post (posted by you).

Yes I am posting a lot again, but only because I think that this time I am acting in the right. Should I have kept my vote on you? Perhaps, but I wanted to see how correct MJW's suspicions of Cyneheard were. And, as i have said, I wanted to forge an alliance with a seasoned villager, and at the time he did (and still does) seem the most likely villager to me (among a growing number of potential villager types).

Will I die by returning to my active state of posting a lot? Perhaps, but at least I will die doing what I think is right.

At this point I am about 75% sure that you are a wolf, and about 80% sure that Mardoc is one.

If nothing else, my death may expose two (at least to me) very obvious wolves.

Hell, I'm just glad I improved so much that you felt like you could use my improvement as a cover! yay

[Tasunke]

For the record, anyone that wishes to vote on Mardoc on Lewwyn has my full support.

(I'd still slightly prefer Mardoc though, as I am a bit more certain about him)

[MJW (ya that one)]

Reading cyneheard's post he seems to be villgerish to me. I'm not sure but I have a good feeling about him. And re-reading a the thread his "9-people post" does not seem like a real argument.

I'll put my vote on zakalwe now. He needs to explain why he was not active as his usual self. He hardly posted at all and most of his posts where RP fluff. I don't mind RP but if you RP you better do something else! After that I don't have feelings on anyone other than Tusanke. I'll re-read the thread to see if I can find someone "better" then him or find evidence that suggests that he is a villager.

[Tasunke]

With MJW's breaking from the Cynheard vote, and with his remaining suspicions of me, I suppose I have no choice but to go with my gut.

Therefore ... MARDOC.

[Lewwyn]

Hell, I'm just glad I improved so much that you felt like you could use my improvement as a cover! yay

Its actually the opposite. I think you've written something that is formulaic and prescribed. It feels like some gave you an outline of what to post and you filled in the blanks. That's why I feel its even more damning. Its not that you've improved its that you seem to be clumsily executing commands.

[Tasunke]

Right. And so that is why it took you half an hour to come up with that.

Calculations my arse, you are the clear calculator around here?

TI-84 or TI-83? :D