WW16: The Outlaws and The Olives

[Gaspar]

Maybe Injera was left alive so this attack could be made? Do you really think wolves had watcher & follower? Injera has followed Catwalk and Lewwyn at least. That's quite a gamble if he doesn't have the power, and I doubt he'd risk two wolf partners with this kind of play. Yeah, that's meta argument which didn't work that well last game, but still...

Quickly - I don't feel like Injera would feel very lynchable for scum if he is innocent. And how quickly they killed Qgqqqqq seems to belie that as well. That'd be some awfully risky scum play that doesn't seem to fit the pattern of the kills to this point.

[Catwalk]

Did everyone ignore the fact that Ichabod did not realize how Matt's power worked, or do you think he's acting? Same for Jkaen.

I see that as either villager or scum with even chances. It could easily be a mistaken villager, it could also easily be shrewd scum planning it out beforehand.

Injera has followed Catwalk and Lewwyn at least. That's quite a gamble if he doesn't have the power, and I doubt he'd risk two wolf partners with this kind of play.

Not quite following what you're saying here. As scum, what would be risky about following me and Lewwyn?

Azza

I agree with your vote on Azza, but it seems we're suspecting him for entirely different reasons. Other than my previous accusations, I agree with Tasunke that posting a vote with the reasoning of "keeping it close" seems odd.

[Meiz]

Not quite following what you're saying here. As scum, what would be risky about following me and Lewwyn?

He said you&Lewwyn didn't do anything. If he lied and you or Lewwyn would have powers and used them, he'd get caught, right?

[Catwalk]

As in you're arguing that he's not lying about his ability? I don't think anyone is contesting that. I just think he can easily be a scum follower, and I don't see any reason why scum can't easily have follower + tracker. It's possible we'll be able to substantiate this theory later (scum not having both), for now I don't see much reason to believe it. However, my main argument against Injera is still that he's a PR scanner which it makes a lot more sense for scum to have than a villager. Same reason we rarely see a scum baner, meta argument. Which ultimately is weaker than other arguments.

[Meiz]

As in you're arguing that he's not lying about his ability? I don't think anyone is contesting that. I just think he can easily be a scum follower, and I don't see any reason why scum can't easily have follower + tracker. It's possible we'll be able to substantiate this theory later (scum not having both), for now I don't see much reason to believe it. However, my main argument against Injera is still that he's a PR scanner which it makes a lot more sense for scum to have than a villager. Same reason we rarely see a scum baner, meta argument. Which ultimately is weaker than other arguments.

Ok, yeah. I just think follower & watcher are both meant for same wolf purposes (PR scanning). Wolf-watcher sees if village pr targeted someone = wolves know that villager has power. Injera's ability would directly say that this villager has this power. It just seems odd that the wolves would have both roles

[Azza]

Eh, sorry bout that Rowain. Nice trick

Did everyone ignore the fact that Ichabod did not realize how Matt's power worked, or do you think he's acting? Same for Jkaen.

I don't get the reasons behind your vote at all Azza. Trying to push two villagers up on block already? Don't like Gaspars reasons either. Maybe Injera was left alive so this attack could be made? Do you really think wolves had watcher & follower? Injera has followed Catwalk and Lewwyn at least. That's quite a gamble if he doesn't have the power, and I doubt he'd risk two wolf partners with this kind of play. Yeah, that's meta argument which didn't work that well last game, but still...

Azza

How do you know Injera and Ichabod are both villagers?

[Catwalk]

Follower and watcher do complement each other a bit in the sense that if the watcher detects a PR, the follower can then check to see how powerful this role is and whether or not to kill it. Or they can simply target different villagers and kill whoever does something one way or another.

So we have two meta arguments going on:
1) Injera is likely villager because follower + watcher more or less duplicate each other
2) Injera is likely scum because follower makes far more sense for scum to have

No matter which one you prefer, I don't think it's enough to declare him leaning innocent or guilty (based on meta alone).

[novice]

Ok, yeah. I just think follower & watcher are both meant for same wolf purposes (PR scanning). Wolf-watcher sees if village pr targeted someone = wolves know that villager has power. Injera's ability would directly say that this villager has this power. It just seems odd that the wolves would have both roles

A wolf watcher (Thestick) is used to watch the back of fellow scum - if they're targetted by a power role scum can plan accordingly.

A follower (Injera's role), when in the hand of a wolf, is used on people acting like village power roles.

So they have different uses IMO.

[Twinkletoes89]

And we have no confirmation of Injera's role even existing I hasten to add.

[Meiz]

How do you know Injera and Ichabod are both villagers?

Ehh.. no. I just find it odd your only reason to vote Injera was to put him even with Ichabod. You'd think at this point there should be better reasons to vote people. Wondering what's the real motivation behind your vote.