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[LURKERS] Sweet 16: Civ Party Fun Time and Philosophical Debate

Not sure why you need to be so cryptic about what happened, Ichabod. The players are confused.

Why not state: "Bantam ended turn with Gavagai logged in, Gavagai started playing his turn, Bantam then moved additional units."
I have to run.
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(March 5th, 2014, 13:34)novice Wrote: Not sure why you need to be so cryptic about what happened, Ichabod. The players are confused.

Why not state: "Bantam ended turn with Gavagai logged in, Gavagai started playing his turn, Bantam then moved additional units."

I'm working on it.
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I have a dumb tinfoil hat conspiracy theory, and since this game isn't all that interesting, I want to talk about it.

Dumb Conspiracy: I think Mikehendi might be Sullla.

Now, I realize Sullla may immediately reply to this which would immediately destroy this theory, but hear me out. At least the amazing similarities will be fun to laugh at when this is proven to be nothing more than a silly post. smile

* Mikehendi writes with a style remarkably similar to how Sullla has reported past games. Consistently shows units that are moving, a shot or so of the map, a shot of one particular city to highlight, and maybe demos. Explanation text is always under the pictures, no preface above it like a lot of people do. Many, many times I've been reading and thought his reports sound eerily similar to Sullla's. It's been a very popular thread to follow despite him being a virtually unknown name, and that's largely been because of the good reporting and above-average play. He has a very "teach-y" writing style, awfully similar to Sullla's. No walls of texts, no spammy posts, just consistent, well-illustrated reports. Even the lurker thread reactions of "whoa this guy might actually be pretty good" is super similar to how people started to realize that with Locke in PB4.

* Mikehendi hasn't really done anything here at the forums besides this game, which is what has made me think of pseudonym.

* Mikehendi is a known user account over at CFC, which is part of why I think people aren't thinking that's what's going on here. However, I went and checked on that account. He hasn't even logged in at CFC for about a year, and hasn't posted there for 2 years, but RB Mikehendi joined in October. He seems like a very ideal candidate for someone to "steal" his username/avatar and use here and be less suspected of being a pseudonym. Another (possibly ridiculous) coincidence is that on CFC profiles you can see the last 10 people to view his profile, and Sullla is one of them.

* Mikehendi seems to be favoring an early whip-heavy game (the capital whip cycle especially caught my attention), transitioning into a vertical over horizontal expansion strategy that emphasizes economy. Part of that is just dictated by his surroundings, but that's also the way Sullla has traditionally played games - all things being equal, often preferring an out-tech strategy rather than an out-expand strategy. Just a playstyle thing I noticed.

* On one or two occasions Mikehendi rubbed a couple people in this thread the wrong way. Not extensively, but the reasons were similar to why a few people complained about Sullla's threads in the past. Goes back to the "teach-y" writing style I mentioned.

* I glanced through CFC Mikehendi's threads. It's not inconceivable that he's the same person here at RB, but I see a lot of differences in writing style. It does make me think that whoever Mikehendi is here at RB is not the same person. At the very least, "RB Mikehendi's" writing style is much more similar to Sullla than CFC Mikehendi.

* Sullla did post in this lurker thread, but it was one of the first two posts, and it was long before there was any spoiler material in here. This may shoot the theory dead in the water, but if he was looking to fool everyone a second time, it would be a very clever way of supporting that.

Okay, am I a crazy person or what? Again, this has all come because I read Mikehendi's thread pretty religiously, and I can't shake the notion that his reporting and game is incredibly familiar to me, even down to the way he uses emoticons. Don't take this TOO seriously, I'm just kinda having fun with it, but at the very least the similarities are remarkable.
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(March 5th, 2014, 13:34)novice Wrote: Not sure why you need to be so cryptic about what happened, Ichabod. The players are confused.

Why not state: "Bantam ended turn with Gavagai logged in, Gavagai started playing his turn, Bantam then moved additional units."

Bantams always ends turn immediately and then moves, that's how he works. (See a quick glance at CivStats.)

I think the real error here is someone should have told him to stop doing that long ago.

Also maybe I'm alone on this but since Gavagai was the one breaking the usual turn order to game for a tactical advantage, he could have had the courtesy to be pretty sure Bantams was actually done playing before starting his moves.

(No comment about his strength but I think he's somewhat justified in thinking he got assed on in this situation.)
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Scooter Wrote:-Conspiracy Theory-

I totally thought that too. His reports are similar: very interesting and detailed, if not a little ostentatious. Still, I really doubt it.
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(March 5th, 2014, 14:59)WilliamLP Wrote:
(March 5th, 2014, 13:34)novice Wrote: Not sure why you need to be so cryptic about what happened, Ichabod. The players are confused.

Why not state: "Bantam ended turn with Gavagai logged in, Gavagai started playing his turn, Bantam then moved additional units."

Bantams always ends turn immediately and then moves, that's how he works. (See a quick glance at CivStats.)

I think the real error here is someone should have told him to stop doing that long ago.

Also maybe I'm alone on this but since Gavagai was the one breaking the usual turn order to game for a tactical advantage, he could have had the courtesy to be pretty sure Bantams was actually done playing before starting his moves.

(No comment about his strength but I think he's somewhat justified in thinking he got assed on in this situation.)

I agree, now that I have more info about the situation. I didn't realize at first that Gavagai might actually have interfered in Bantams playing the turn (I biasedly thought that the error would have come from bantams without a doubt). I sent a PM to bantams asking him if he'd be ok to keep on playing the game, if we reload his turn and I ask gavagai to keep in line considering turn splits. I hope bantams agrees to continue, so I'm waiting for his answer.

I think is important to take into consideration that Bantams ended his turn, so Gavagai has an argument to supposrt why he started playing his turn.

If bantams doesn't want to continue, I guess we just reload to bantams login and convert him to AI, not much else we can do.
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I doubt Mikehendi is a ghostie, at least not by any good player. Joining a game full of greens and hiding your own skill level from them sounds too scummy to be true. At least in Krill/SS case the players could have turned them down.
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(March 5th, 2014, 14:59)Oxyphenbutazone Wrote:
Scooter Wrote:-Conspiracy Theory-

I totally thought that too. His reports are similar: very interesting and detailed, if not a little ostentatious. Still, I really doubt it.


Well, I have me some Mod IP check powers, so let's put it to the test:


They're the same!
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Wait... really?
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yup
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