WW22 - Diaries of the Madmen

[Ryan]

Question since I barley have time to look : did Jkean claim tracker ?

[Jkaen]

Yes I did

[Jkaen]

For Ryan - I claimed I followed Lewwyn onto Novice

[zakalwe]

Yes they would, as if jkaen was Lewwyn s only visitor then he killed him, and if not then the watcher could reveal the scum.

Good point, I missed that.

Jkaen, I don't have much in the way of concrete scum reads from your play yesterday, just the fact that Mattimeo went after Novice instead of you. I'll give you two concrete things I disliked today, though. First, you brushed off Lewwyn's suspicion against you as WIFOM, which I think is too easy. Second, you supported Ryan's play yesterday, which is clearly questionable, even if he is town. So that smacks of trying to ingratiate yourself with the player who wields two votes. (Or maybe you're both scum.)

[Jkaen]

Zak,

On the second point, are you saying that yesterday I supported Ryan? If so then yesterday I didnt know he was the double voter, so that couldn't have motivated me

If its today I supported him for yesterdays actions, then I think his described motivation makes sense. He was generally ambivilent about the lynch, made an action that substanciated somebodies claimed power without revealing himself, and looekd to make a mayor put his decisions on the line. I dont think its that bad a play

[zakalwe]

I did mean today.

[Gazglum]

I’m just skimming last few pages now, don’t have time for a full catch-up until tomorrow.

Actually as I write that I think it really should be obvious to scum that Mattimeo is going down the minute I claim. Lewwyn is on him, Uberfish is and if he's scum he can't credibly switch, I'm on him, and the reason I'm on him is surely the answers Mattimeo gave to my quizzing in the neighbour thread, so the shit must be about to hit the fan.

I agree with this, as I think I said earlier. I think Matt went down so hard and fast that scum could have been ‘caught’ on him from earlier, or chosen to buss immediately. Hence no village cred except for Novice.

I also don't like at all that Gazglum was calling me suspicious for putting forward a "2 and a half scum theory" with 1 town / 1 scum in the puppet duo, and he's now using the same theory as part of his argument for lynching Azza.

Sorry Uber, it was clumsy of me to use the same wording across both cases. What I found suspicious in your take was that you assumed only 2 –actual- wolves, which seemed much too low for me, even if one was a puppet master. I’m willing to consider 3 wolves, one of whom is a puppet. It may seem semantics, but I think the latter is a much more balanced scum team for this set-up, and also fits in better with The Stick’s hints.

I agree, gazglum's play has felt a bit weak, bit stronger today IMO though.

In my defence, Day 1 was all about Matt/Novice, and that shitstorm hit while I was asleep. By the time I caught up with the thread, Matt was as good as gone, I thought. I really didn’t have much more to add on top of what Lewwyn, Uber and Novice had said.

Finally, not happy with Tasunek disappearing again. I don’t disbelieve that he hurt his foot, but I worry that if he happens to be scum, he now has a good excuse to slip under the radar. I don’t think we should lynch him, but if there is a seer out there, I think he would make a good target.

I agree with Zak that it comes down to Jkaen and Azza for me as most suspicious. I guess Azza is a ‘safer’ lynch, because if Jkaen is town we lose his tracking ability, whereas Azza’a role doesn’t help town.

It interests me that Azza was happy to self-vote as a policy lynch, but once a real train builds on him he fights for his life. So I’ll stick on him for now.

[Ryan]

So if your a tracker and Q is a miller which means town has an alignment seer. Is it possible to have both in a setup this low in people ? Is this a scum tracker ?

[Azza]

It interests me that Azza was happy to self-vote as a policy lynch, but once a real train builds on him he fights for his life. So I’ll stick on him for now.

Massive difference from day 1. I was convinced that I was controlled by scum, because otherwise my role is just "lol screwing with you". I no longer think the PM is certain scum, I'm more or less neutral on Ryan right now. So if Ryan is innocent, I would expect that he won't mess with my votes (except to save himself), so theoretically I should be able to contribute as any other town member would to a lynch.

[Jkaen]

So if your a tracker and Q is a miller which means town has an alignment seer. Is it possible to have both in a setup this low in people ? Is this a scum tracker ?

Its certainly possible to have a scum tracker, but how much help would it be?

Right now based on the reveals I would guess about half the powers in this game maybe visit somebody at night (post restrictor, puppet master, probably seer, quite likely watcher) so tracking to somebody when you dont know what effect it has had on the target (unlike if the target visited dies) helps very little.