[PB61 spoilers] vanrober lonely in a green field

[civac2]

I have read this explanation:

Taj triggers a 9 turn GA (13 with Mausoleum) immediately upon completion at eot. Civ4 runs through cities in the order shown on F1. That means that all subsequent cities after the one finishing Taj already benefit from improved production. You do not get more commerce because that is calculated in a separate loop through the cities before production. So you sorta get 8 turns and a bit of GA normally. If you already are in a GA the game adds the full 9 turns to the GA turn counter the same way as if you'd burn more GPs.

[vanrober]

so the difference is that if you are out of Ga you get 8 turns and half and if you are in GA you get 9 full turns right?

[civac2]

Yes.

[vanrober]

Its not as game changing i would say. Ill try to fit in in the second GA though but if i cannot i wouldnt cry XD. Just for confirmation, if i finish my GA EOT and i finish Taj EOT then i get the 9 full turns?

[vanrober]

I cant sleep thinking on this GA thing. So i went again to see the numbers of getting Taj on Rose instead of Daisy, this way i could get the GA and the knights, so its a nice solution for the limitation i saw on the plan. And it looks like its not a huge difference (in the turns for getting Taj).

Daisy get taj in 9 turns, and Rose needs 10 turns. 
 Daisy gets 10 knights during those 10 turns and Rose get 3 knights and half during the 9 turns of Daisy. So i think i have already a plan. If i had thought it the turn before i could have grown 1 turn earlier Rose to make things better, but it is what it is.

Randomly Bellarch atacked Jack, and i think it didnt work out well for Bellarch, im first in power now, he lost 200k power points in the fight and Jacks capitol still stands. This is what i wanted to see!

           

Looking at how to get economics for the last GA (if its like PB60 that we had a GA in the turn we won, it also works for me heheheh) And it looks like i could go straight for lib? If i also get lib i think there is no way people dont surrend actually. Getting lib is 8 current 100% turns, which means another 16hundred gold to spend. 4 turns 0% on GA, so i kind of need 1 GA to get gold and the Taj one to burn it. I dont have the money we had on PB60, in that game we were getting 800g at 0% without GA, so yeah my economy is like a forth of that game.

[vanrober]

Turn 149

I missconsidered Bing, he had a hidden stack that hited my pretty hard, they were basically axes, so its not as bad, but yeah i lost more than i should have. 

   

I have 10 knights and 10 cats readies to go, but they will arribe at the same time as his main stack. So if i push he hit me with the half docen of cats he has, and if i wait i lose time, so im not sure what to do, ill need to think about. Also the Ga, not sure if pushing right on next turn or if push it this turn, i think there is no mechanical difference. But maybe a couple of turns saving gold before the GA makes more sense than pushing right the way.

I ve been thinking and Lily also has a bunch of hammers, and might be a better place for taj than the capitol, the only problem is that it needs a monastery to get the boost of hammers. Ill figure it out next turn.

Josh just gave me fish fish back, so i feel good about him for now, i guess he will make a stack, and some epics since he is getting literature this turn.

Bellarch is making a little stack in our front, but i guess he is just trying to feel safer, i gave him fish fish this turn. Jack seems resisting, so i think everything goes good for now. Im making so many monk buildings, so i wont have much more units soon, but ill get a bunch of them faster with the hammer bonnus. I felt that since i have a 25 or even 75% bonnus in buildings i could use better the GA hammers in buildings than knights, so, since bing cannot kill me i dont think delaying a bit the conques will matter much. he has been whiping a lot for jack and now for me, so im pretty sure he is start having happy issues even though Bellarch is giving him some happy.

This is the last turn stats of the Ga, lets compare with next turn!.

           

[vanrober]

Turn 150

Maybe i should make a big report but i feel i dont really need to post any further info of anything, if you feel you lack some infor, please feel free to ask.

Lets see my war first. bing retreated all his units of the city when i could just hit it with a knight and a chariot and he had 9 units or so... Really weird decision i guess. I was feeling so good about it until i saw how is the amount of units of Belalrch growing every turn. I ve been sending some fish fish and asking for his bananas and things like that and no diplo back. Im feeling vulnerable.

   

So my next reasoning was some kind of what i said to Mjmd in PB56, there is more ways to close the border tension than just atacking that neighbour, you can just war peace and get 10 turns of free border. So i wanted to do so, but since i already moved i couldnt really play after him to declare war (in case he doesnt get the peace i would prefere to be playing the war in the second half) so my plan is camp the timer next turn to declare war peace to bellarch. 

Right now i left all my units close to Bellarch in case he declares to me this turn, even though he has 12 hitters and 2 cats, i can put 15 2 movers and 6 1 overs next turn in Honeysuclke so im fine 100%. 

Then i decided to just burn Bings city, got 100g out of it which is nice. this way also Bing will ned more time to hit me and ill have a better time defending, also one city less producing units against me, so i think it was the right play, i couldnt hold that city with just a knight and a chariot.

   

My stats our of the GA are better than i expected them to be, still getting 330gpt (instead of 440gpt) and 600bpt instead of 850. I think its good enough, my plan for now is getting some gold to get cuirs fast. I have 2 options, getting Banking then gunpowder then MT or i could go straight gunpowder MT. The difference is 1 turn, but i think banks are so important, much more than that turn of Cuirs..

I counted bad the hammers of Daisy, i was thikning i was in PS and getting 30hpt were enough to get 1 turn knights, but since im not having that civic yet i need 40hpt to get knights oneturned, and im afraid i have just 38hpt in that city, i had 10 h OF this turn so ill get a knight in 1 turn, but ill need to think if getting 2 knights in 3 turns or get a xbow and knight every 2 turns, or maybe even getting a trebuchet/cat. Not sure.

Also right now im in the weakest part of my game, im making so many monk buildings that im lackign a bit of units, if they whip an army and atack me in the same time ill need to lose a couple of cities. So my plan in holding right now until i can get tons of units.

The GA is also something i had to think, should i get 3 turns of gold to be able to get the 6 turns 100% in GA for cuirs? if i do so i wont be able to get the Taj in time to get 9 full turns, but as i said i think its not really important to get that extra half.

After cuirs ill need to think on the plan, getting lib? goign straight for cannons? getting economy for the 4th GA? So many questions and im not sure the strategy. My gut says that the best plan is lib into steel and then economy, but ill have to see the options bellarch might be in time to get lib before me, or maybe i need to whip my cities to grownd losing my beautiful economy, i havent whiped for 20 sh turns, althugh that is makign so slow the fishing villages. But im valuing gold better than the development of those cities.

       

Ohw and to finish, it has been a lot i dont show this screen. I have 3 of the 5 best cities :P

   

[Miguelito]

My stats our of the GA are better than i expected them to be, still getting 330gpt (instead of 440gpt) and 600bpt instead of 850. I think its good enough, my plan for now is getting some gold to get cuirs fast. I have 2 options, getting Banking then gunpowder then MT or i could go straight gunpowder MT. The difference is 1 turn, but i think banks are so important, much more than that turn of Cuirs..

I counted bad the hammers of Daisy, i was thikning i was in PS and getting 30hpt were enough to get 1 turn knights, but since im not having that civic yet i need 40hpt to get knights oneturned, and im afraid i have just 38hpt in that city, i had 10 h OF this turn so ill get a knight in 1 turn, but ill need to think if getting 2 knights in 3 turns or get a xbow and knight every 2 turns, or maybe even getting a trebuchet/cat. Not sure.

On the first one, does that mean that you generate the whole commerce needed for Banking in just 1 turn? I think I'm missing something.

And even with PS in a forged HE city you should need 36 base hammers for 1turning knights. But without PS and with 38 hammers you should still 1turn 5 knights for every crossbow you fit in, so you should be ok

[vanrober]

Banking takes 1 turn 100% research, gunpowder takes 2 turns and i expect some OF making MT 3 turns. So going straigth for MT just saves that first turn of Banking. I dont think its worth.

Ohw i didnt really know how to count the OF of making a crossbow with the amount of bonnus i have in that city, i was afraid of losing hammers.

[Miguelito]

Yes,  but you also have to save up to pay for that turn of 100% , so it actually delays you for 2 or 3 turns (don't know what your breakeven is).