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Niccolò Machiavelli's Thread

Chat with Lewwyn. We better stop talking with Krill. They still are asking a lot.

Quote:me: hi

Lewwyn: hey

me: I thikn we'll have a prettty good shot at razing Losing. You wanna proceed there or would you like to get something out ogf the city?

Lewwyn: well I haven't seen the turn and Krill didn't report what happened in the last turn

me: Not this turn, but not far in the future either
He moved workers away
We had axe threateniing
You'll lose also your southern warrior unless we lose 99% battle

Lewwyn: thats okay

me: Losing warrior? I didn't expect you to cry much over it wink

Lewwyn: well if the peace deal you were to offer would be fair we'd consider it

me: It is fair, but we'll take into account the investment on military while you've built who knows what

Lewwyn: You don't mean the deal you tried to give us last time right?

me: It was just a starting point. Haven't seen any counter offer

Lewwyn: it wasn't much of a starting point

me: As wasn't that we give you 2 settlers either
If you want them you had to wait

Lewwyn: you getting the city is an immiediate benefit, huge huge benefit
and that land deal was nowhere close to acceptable

me: Both are negotiable, but still haven't heard anything concrete from you. Your border suggestion wasn't acceptable either
We most certainly want land towards the middle that is northern than Losing

Lewwyn: I've seen your south
you have a huge amount of free space

me: Can't say anything about that haven't scouted your surroundings much. Only seen tha quality of your land is better than ours

Lewwyn: I disagree

me: We don't have irrigated corn our gold is way further
We don't have nice forested deer..
No 6 food tiles

Lewwyn: if you try to settle north of losing you'll take our gold

me: wihtouth cain irrigation

Lewwyn: and we don't have another

me: As I said we're not that intrested to settle there
Our intrest is towards the center
Assuming of course we get a deal

Lewwyn: You can havev losing but we need to settle a city north of losing

me: Where would it go?

Lewwyn: Need to reference my map

me: Naturally everything not competing with BFC of Losing is ok

Lewwyn: we'll return to that in a second, there might be slight overlap but it would not be competeing for the deer
first though we would require a settler and 2 workers for the city itself

me: That is probably also acceptable. I'll naturally had to put any deal through our team

Lewwyn: the city would likely be given to you at size two so that would factor in

me: Fast workers - Might not go through - but you can suggest

Lewwyn: I believe you lose food from the foodbox if we give it to you before size two, so if you want it at size 2 (in a few turns we would require the extra workers)

me: It is lost, but so is production
It is half filled now I wouldn't mind it being empty

Lewwyn: what if we completed the archer thats being built now and gifted it to
since there already is production into it

me: Might work. We need just all points of the deal in one list
We probably don't need more military though wink

Lewwyn: aye I thought about it as I wrote it, but thats what already has hammer sinto it

me: Sure - you can probably have it in case it grows to 2
Had to go now, but if you sum up your desires we'll comment and hopefully get out of this

Lewwyn: as for the center you say thats where you are looking for land concessions?

me: At least we want a city 2-3 tiles norther that Losing. That would probably work
but had to go cya

Lewwyn: ok
I'm about to go to bed myself, and I have a super busy day tmr but I'll try to get a full list of stuff during some of my office hours

ttyl
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How many hammers have we got into military right now that would be "lost" by taking a deal? I mean in build queues.
I have to run.
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Spear in capital 4. Bitter has about 7 for axe.
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Why are we giving them two workers again? They settled in out face, after all.

Darrell
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I think we're better off getting the city ASAP so we can start improving it. As for payment, I'd offer one worker now, the settler out of Bloody Mary, and one worker some time later. Tops.

I think that's a very generous deal, but I can understand if they won't accept much less.

Peace might technically benefit them more than us, but the point is it would benefit both of us. So we probably need to yield a little.

Yeah, I'm going soft.
If you know what I mean.
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(October 28th, 2012, 14:10)darrelljs Wrote: Why are we giving them two workers again? They settled in out face, after all.

Darrell

I think we should negotiate it down to one worker, that's probably what they're aiming for too.
I have to run.
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Too bad, but even expensive peace is better than just razing the city. Settler+worker and slightly favourable border deal would be ok to me. However I would prefer using our next settler to found gold city and give them the one after that. Not sure we get a deal with that approach.
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(October 28th, 2012, 15:01)plako Wrote: Too bad, but even expensive peace is better than just razing the city.

Are we necessarily razing the city if we attack it? I thought we'd planned to attack during the window between when it grows to size 2 and when they can first whip the archer?
...wounding her only makes her more dangerous! nono -- haphazard1
It's More Fun to be Jack of All Trades than Master of One.
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(October 28th, 2012, 15:17)pling Wrote:
(October 28th, 2012, 15:01)plako Wrote: Too bad, but even expensive peace is better than just razing the city.

Are we necessarily razing the city if we attack it? I thought we'd planned to attack during the window between when it grows to size 2 and when they can first whip the archer?

They might stagnate the growth when they see us moving in.
If you know what I mean.
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(October 28th, 2012, 15:36)zakalwe Wrote: They might stagnate the growth when they see us moving in.

Ah, good point frown
...wounding her only makes her more dangerous! nono -- haphazard1
It's More Fun to be Jack of All Trades than Master of One.
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