Werewolf 7 game thread

[Mr. Nice Guy]

As for JKaen... 4 posts, really? And one of them is a correction post? Yikes, I can see why he's getting negative attention. It's hard for me to resist doing the same and voting for him.

[Mr. Nice Guy]

And here's Injera, accusing zak:

The whole "voting against someone on a principle" seems very suspicious too me as well. Not that it's completely without merit, but it's easy to hide behind a "policy vote."

That makes a lot of sense too. But zak is clearly innocent. So... is Injera innocent connecting two dots that are unconnected? Or is he a wolf trying to force two things together?

[zakalwe]

Sorry if this post ruins the "flow" of whatever it is you're trying to tie together. I promise it will be my last for the night.

Not really, I just wanted to get my initial response to you out, before turning to new theories. It's early morning here, and I was being distracted by my son. He is not very articulate, but he has no problems getting his points across. Kind of the opposite of you, in that sense.

(Couldn't resist, just trying to ease the mood. No offense intended.)

As for the other comments I wanted to make, there is plenty of time so I'm thinking it may actually be wise to observe a bit more before airing those thoughts. I definitely want to hear more from Sareln, for one.

[Gaspar]

So I had another read through the thread after my last read through and I don't think we've really learned anything. The uber train was out of control on day 2, and the thing I thought I saw vis-a-vis Meiz/zak/Rowain/Serdoa is now pretty apparent to everyone (though I'm not inclined to spell it out if you haven't picked up on it yet.) Needless to say, I don't think we have a wolf there, or perhaps more aptly - I haven't seen anything there that gives me more than the normal pause.

I guess ultimately I'm still concerned about the same people I was curious about yesterday. I still don't think TT mounted an especially credible defense. I still think Catwalk feels not right to me and with fewer potential village power-roles in play I'm less inclined to blame that and more inclined to suspect wolfiness. I still don't like Roland's sigh of relief, but I do think he's sounding a lot more village now. Not sure if that's inner village shining through or him just being a decent writer who's calmed down a bit, but I do think if he's guilty he's too emotional not to screw up and show us. So in that case I'm willing to wait. Not loving scooter at the moment either, truthfully, though he's only boring me with low content, not making me want to hit him.

Other than that, I think there's a lot of low content or low signal-to-noise ratio players.

Here's my question: Why have we decided Ichabod is innocent already?

[Injera]

And here's Injera, accusing zak:

That makes a lot of sense too. But zak is clearly innocent. So... is Injera innocent connecting two dots that are unconnected? Or is he a wolf trying to force two things together?

It's late here and I don't have much time, but I'm not really sure what would make zak (or anyone at this stage of the game, really) "clearly innocent."

Briefly (more tomorrow, I promise) here's how I see Day 1: Votes were spread across the board, with TT having a few extras. There wasn't at least two viable villagers as candidates, so the wolves had no place to spread their votes out and push on anyone until the dam broke and uberfish became a viable candidate. No one did more to make that happen than zak and Cat. zak had been building a case against uberfish for the entire Day, painting him as a bad and unhelpful villager, and worthy of lynching even if he was innocent. Eventually, as the day headed towards a close and there still weren't multiple consensus candidates, he openly accused uberfish of being a wolf. At this point the vote dam broke and uber was lynched in a landslide.

If zak had pushed hard against someone else other than uberfish I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have been mislynched. Shouldn't that warrant even a shred of suspicion on Cat and zak? (obviously not both at the same time.)

Alright, bed time for me. See y'all tomorrow.

[Catwalk]

I still think lynching uberfish was the right choice with the information available. He was being uncooperative all day, as others have pointed out. He even admitted that he was basically playing for an alibi in future games. Surprisingly (or not), he then uses his last words to cast suspicion on the two players who pursued the lynch. Anyone who makes anything of that is suspicious to me. Not just for sake of self preservation, but because that's such an easy argument to latch on to.

As for the vigilante, that was a bummer. I'd rather have you come out now with red cheeks in order to establish your innocence than wait until later and give the wolves a better chance of fake claiming vigilante.

Roland, I was addressing you because that's who I happened to be talking to at the time. I did something similar in WW6 with Meiz, I believe. If you find that suspicious, I think you're grasping for straws.

I think Injera's logic is flawed, especially this last post. zakalwe provided very clear reasoning for both his original assessment of uberfish (based on past experience), and the change (based on lack of helpfulness during the day, basically dismissing accusations as idiocy). I don't find it to be particularly wolfish behaviour to push this hard for an innocent to hang. If either of us were wolves, it'd be much safer to jump on later and let others take the lead.

I don't mean it as an insult so I hope you won't take it as such, but how much WW have you played in other settings? If this is your first game you seem very sure of yourself, and I'm getting a feeling you're following wolf orders. If you've played a fair bit elsewhere, please disregard the comment.

Wild guesses on everybody's status (not providing great arguments for all, I will try to back them up with quotes later today if you want any of it explained better):
Serdoa - innocent. Working hard to sift through information and present it in a clear manner. Still not my first choice for mayor, but seems it'll work out well.

zakalwe - innocent. I find his play on uberfish to be highly villagerish, and I don't see the fluffing around others are talking about.

Meiz - strong innocent read, or amazing con artist. I had a strong villager read on him last game and paid off, reads the same to me here.

scooter - wolfish. Flailing around on day 1, had an activity related excuse for it (may be true, may be a convenient cover) and looks to me like he has kept machine gunning with poor aim since then. Looks like a (legitimately) low activity wolf who's making an effort to throw out some accusations while also trying to keep up with wolf discussions.

Injera - wolfish. As stated before, I found his accusation of zakalwe for the uberfish play to be highly suspicious. Are you saying with your last post that two wolves were high on the chopping block when zakalwe pushed for uberfish?

Roland - wolfish. Jumped around with votes on day 1, was uber polite with zakalwe and now jumps him like crazy. Is highly supportive of uberfish, seems like a wolf move to me. He knows he's innocent and likely to hang, giving him a great alibi. I don't see cause for such certainty without inside information.

I will try to post more later today.

[Catwalk]

Elaboration on the Roland comments, after trying to read a bit more.

zakalwe makes slight accusations of him along with a bunch other people:

Not saying that this slight deviation from his normal pattern is a big wolf tell in itself, but if he does flip as a wolf it will be particularly interesting to go back and see who he voted for, and why that might be. Overall, I can't really decide how strongly I suspect Roland; I should probably reread his posts in more detail (if I can bring myself to do it), but he certainly hasn't convinced me of his innocence.

Roland responds:

Right now I'm ready to give you confrontation out the ass, zakalwe, not least of which for your behavior yesterday and uberfish's last words. I went into this trying to be a bit more relaxed than I have in the past, but it's tough to change who you are, and if trying to be "better" is going to make me seem "worse" I have no problems raising my voice a bit.

TO address one concern: I just this past weekend completed a month-long move into a new place. I've been backed up at work, and thus having to stay late a few nights a week. On top of that my place is packed full of boxes and whatnot, and I've had to budget my very limited time between unpacking, running errands, and everything else that goes on in life. So excuse me for not having as much time as I'd like to devote to this game. Oh, and yeah, not having internet anywhere but work for over 2 weeks hasn't helped me get much done, either (and not just here).

He stresses that he's not just defending himself, he's also returning the favour (uberfish's last words). His comments about activity do not really correlate in the last with his actual activity in the game (very high), sounds to me like he's a wolf preparing an excuse ahead of time. It sucks to accuse people of being a wolf on grounds of activity and posts related to activity, but fact is that it's an extremely convenient cover. And this one seems off to me. Not long after he then flips and buddies up with zakalwe and completely drops his accusations. I'll try to find quotes for that later, have to run.

[Erebus]

Catwalk, I think you're mistaking content with activity.

Two seperate things. Anyone who can watch the thread and not really respond will notice this.

Roland posts at very particular intervals, so his activity is low, however his content is high when he does get around to posting.

The same can be said of Gaspar and Mr. Nice Guy, high content, less frequent posts.

However certain people are infrequent AND low content, in my mind this are where Jkaen and Scooter lie.

Try and not mistake Roland's block of text as a flurry of activity. He's come online at consisently the same time, posted lots of high content posts and gotten off at around the same time. Though apparently him and Gaspar like to stay up past bedtime

[zakalwe]

Roland - wolfish. Jumped around with votes on day 1, was uber polite with zakalwe and now jumps him like crazy. Is highly supportive of uberfish, seems like a wolf move to me. He knows he's innocent and likely to hang, giving him a great alibi. I don't see cause for such certainty without inside information.

In Roland's defense, I don't think he was displaying such certainty that Uberfish was innocent. But he is (unusually) prone to presenting it that way in hindsight, because he wants to paint a picture where he was the voice of reason fighting to resist the headstrong and misguided villagers (you and me). It's very much in line with his personality. (And I know this post will piss him off, but it's the truth.)

[Serdoa]

A bad night result for sure and I am not really understanding why the vig fired his shot? I thought last game should have shown anyone that shooting early is bad...

Anyway, what else do we have?

1) Erebus: Why would you be so sure on Rowain being the vig-kill? Honestly, Rowain was obviously a villager, I can't believe the vig would shoot him. Lewwyn on the other hand? He has a style which can get him easily killed, especially from someone who might not be that experienced with him.

2) Jkaen: According to PB6 he is not around much these days. So that might be the explanation for his low post count. Unfortunately that reminds me on other WW-games where people did have the same issue, drew wolf and used it as cover. In itself nobody should be voted for having not much time, but basically I see us already now stumbling again in an endgame with 2-3 people being alive which we have no clue about because they simply are not around.

3) Sareln Not much to say, as there is nothing to comment on.