The Backstabbers' Table - PBEM 4 Diplomacy Thread

[Singaboy]

@oledavy
I agree with you that handing back Zuckerstadt and the useless town of Zitronenhain is cutting it too easy for Archduke. Maybe the addition of the city west of the narrows in former Norway.

@Woden
What are you actually trying to achieve with your losses against Germany. Let's assume you eventually overpower Kiel, what does that do for you? A lone city there won't cut it for you. Mind you, the other cities are not accessible by sea. Are you purposely weakening your position prior to the expiry of DoF with oledavy? I think you are attacking the wrong person to prevent oledavy form winning.

[Woden]

@Singaboy
Agreed. I will stop any operations against you if peace can be achieved between us and TheArchduke.

@oledavy
30 turns is a non-starter. You will just tech ahead to better units and planes. I would go for 10 turn global peace. Should be enough time for WW to lower and everybody to regroup.

@TheArchduke
Hold on a little longer. I think oledavy's eastern movement will cease some as he prepares to attack me. His subs will no longer be a threat soon, so who knows what the next turn will bring.

[oledavy]

@oledavy
30 turns is a non-starter. You will just tech ahead to better units and planes. I would go for 10 turn global peace. Should be enough time for WW to lower and everybody to regroup.

Give me a break, I would have to be pretty dense to agree to that. That's just enough time for you to upgrade an unstoppable fleet of MG's long before I get to battleships and then DoW on me.

I would like to point out to anyone who hasn't noticed, MG's are an INDUSTRIAL unit, and benefit from Press Gangs. Subs and battleships are MODERN units and require International waters to build efficiently. Some of us don't have three great admirals so VA is the only reason I'm still in this game in the face of the qualitative difference between mine and Archduke (+ soon to be Woden's) fleets.

Make a better offer, otherwise we just need to settle this now.

[oledavy]

@Singaboy

Took down the other ironclad. 

Archduke rolled double sixes on that last turn to punch through the channel. Attacking at +12 and +7 should not have done 100 HP of damage. Major bad luck, otherwise he wouldn't have gotten that last ironclad attack in, and I could have grouped all three subs on the channel to sink the fleet and damage the frigate. 

I have an idea of what will happen this next turn. I trust you'll choose appropriate targets accordingly should it come to pass.

[Singaboy]

@oledavy,

controlling the Sea is by far the most important issue here. Zuckerstadt can wait, it's only a matter of time until I get it back.

[TheArchduke]

@ Singaboy and Oledavy

Lossing six cities whilst you continue to eat up Spain, Oledavy.

I fear once again I am at the back against the wall as I was when your fleet came in.

Gotta sink some more precious subs with Renaissance units then.

@ Woden

I doubt a peace would benefit us, Singaboy especially is way more vulnerable then he looks, but he is not crackable without GAs, I suggest you retreat and act defensively until MGs whilst I take care of the rest.

[Singaboy]

@oledavy
three units in sight, the fleet + frigate and a sea dog. The sea dog is ready for your picking. We don't want him to convert our units into his, especially that sub.

[TheArchduke]

Woden, do you see the 4 traders at Lisbon, are you sure we want to keep that city around? You could use it.

Thanks for the trireme btw.

[Woden]

Woden, do you see the 4 traders at Lisbon, are you sure we want to keep that city around? You could use it.

Thanks for the trireme btw.

I think oledavy is sending a lot of traders to Lisbon and I need some gold for upgrades, so when he declares war on me, I going collecting. As for the trireme, I figured I could block at least 1 tile from his subs until our Alliance ends.

[oledavy]

@ Singaboy and Oledavy

Lossing six cities whilst you continue to eat up Spain, Oledavy.

By my count you've lost 3 cities and gained 2......

Norway was your colonial conquest, Spain is mine. I've been at war with them far longer than the current conflict. 

@Singaboy

The Brazilian army and navy are headed east, back out to sea. I can't tell if they're headed home or repositioning to land farther south. 

Archduke has another Sea Dog in the west though, I lit it up briefly while moving my sub.