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Commodore · September 3rd, 2020, 11:24

RIP Bob

Charriu · September 3rd, 2020, 11:28

GG Bob

Serdoa · September 3rd, 2020, 11:38

Bye Bob. If you play again, please, even if you find the meta dumb, at least be less pissed at us frown

Gaspar · September 3rd, 2020, 12:25

GG Bob.

That sure was interesting.

superdeath · September 3rd, 2020, 16:22

GG bob

BRickAstley · September 4th, 2020, 07:31

This is a test, this is only a test.

Tally as of post 387:

Lynch votes
6 votes: Bobchillingworth (Commodore, scooter, El Grillo, superdeath, GeneralKilCavalry, AdrienIer)
5 votes: Cyneheard (Gaspar, Meiz, Serdoa, naufragar, Lewwyn)
3 votes: AdrienIer (pindicator, Charriu, Rowain)
2 votes: superdeath (Chevalier Mal Fet, Cyneheard)
1 votes: Lewwyn (Bobchillingworth)

Voting history:

Lewwyn · September 4th, 2020, 10:57

A lynch Post Mortem:

I feel the lynch was full of information and on the whole the day was not a bad result. I think Bob made it easy for wolves to hide on him and the lack of overall movement at the end of the day makes me feel that we had two villagers up on the block in Bob and Cyne. I also think that Adrien is more suspect and the people on Adrien are much less suspect. I switched vote at the end thinking it very possible Rowain would switch to Cyneheard with me. That would have been interesting too. As it is we can't take too much about alignment by the votes themselves, rather about when and how people voted.

Starting with people that I have strong town leans on at the end of the day.

Rowain
Serdoa
Pindi
Meiz

Weaker Town lean:

Charriu
Commodore

In the middle:

El Grillo
GKC
CMF
Cyneheard

Weaker Scum lean

Superdeath
Scooter
Gaspar

Stronger Scum lean

Nauf
Adrien

Right So let me break some of this stuff down. Strong Town first.

Rowain as I've mentioned several times is coming across super town to me. There's very little that would sway me off that read at this point. I just hope he doesn't get eaten at night.

Serdoa is pretty towny, he's seeing all the things I'm seeing with nauf and Adrien and he's not getting stuck on nauf too. The only issue is that Serdoa stayed on Cyne at the end there when I think, based on his post he felt that Adrien was scummy, but I'm not faulting him much for that, it was the very, very last minute when he finsihed looking up on Adrien. Still strong town vibes.

Pindi feels very town in his reactions to Gaspar, and I agree with him on Adrien, and I like his willingness to vote Adrien and try to get traction on him.

Meiz, I like what he says and I like how he says it.

The Weaker town leans:

Charriu has a good vote and and reasoning on Adrien. I think the play overall has been quiet and timid, but not nervous like a wolf. I'd like to see a lot more.

Commodore was wrong about Bob, but earnest his wrongness. I also feel like his continuous bringing up between Gaspar and I is not right but also not wrong. I actually am bringing him up from the middle here because of his insitence on Gaspar. Yes I'mm fully on board the Gaspar got screwed by rolling wolf train.

In the middle:

El Grillo was in town lean but then I thought "maybe shouldn't be here actually, now that I think about it". He has one post that I liked in the middle about Commodore, but after that he's drifted off a bit more and basically parked himself on Bob... goddamnit. I'm moving him into the middle.

GKC is really in the middle here, I don't much like many of his posts, but he's onto nauf and I completely get his Bob vote, and not only do I get his Bob vote it makes even more sense from his past experience. I might have to bump him up to town lean.

CMF is a dark horse. I think he's trying hard and I might lean villager but I really don't like his mistaken report on me, then again that feels more like a villagers mistake than a wolf's mistake and I also feel like as a wolf he would have tried to overcorrect preceived mistakes and faults. Like nauf overcorrects everytime under pressure.

Cyneheard hasn't really changed that much, but I'll say he has been fully surpassed in scumminess by others and in the events of the lynch has actually risen in my estimation to town. So I guess he shouldn't be in the middle. Let me move him up to town lean. In particular both Bob and Cyne's acceptance of things should have been more of a red flag for people. It's one reason Adrian sticks out so much.. He skated most of the day then came back to defend himself as much he needed to to appear busy.

The weaker scum leans:

Superdeath has not really done enough considering the end of the day and how everything has come out. He parked his vote and Bob's your uncle. I found his first whiplash defense to feel pretty genuine, but I didn't think that absolved him of not doing more, and he hasn't. Bob again was an easy vote and an easy out for wolves. The scumminess from the first part of Day 1 is still there, the return defense was okay, but then there should have been more.

Scooter has not had a stellar day. Pretty similar in tone I think to adrien, not sticking his head out too much. I really dislike his threat on people moving off Bob. I don't think he had to worry so much in the end though too many people were unwilling to move and too many wolves were comfortable. Scooter in particular makes noises there at the end about MAYBE wanting to move to adrian, but oops its throwing my vote away, and the oops its not throwing my vote awayy but its too late. At least Gaspar had the decency to just stop posting.

Gaspar is probably scum. Too many things fit into place and you can tell he was irritated at the beginning because he rolled scum, got called on it a bit and tried to mollify his tone. Why is there a "lovefest"? its because Gaspar and I getting into it is bad news for both of us and we both try to avoid it on Day 1. Basically now its going to turn into Gaspar versus me and Gaspar is either going to come after me all day because obviously I'm scum and he hopes he can push me off him or he's going to shut down. Either way it pisses both of us and he's goddamn annoying as scum. And he always plays the woe is me Lewwyn is after me again stuff. But the Day 1 has certainly put Gaspar near the top of my list.

Strong Scum leans:

Nauf has had a bad day. He has been stepping all over himself and not in a good way. I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt as a newbie, but there's too much wolfyness. Newbies are wolfs too and Newbie wolfs are in for it. We should have just lynched him from the start. Bob I wish you weren't such a stubborn, STUBBORN ass sometimes.

Adrien is putting all the signs of a scum Adrien game. He's smooth and he skates through and he puts just enough effort in for SOMEONE ELSE to be justa bit scummier. It's classic scum Adrien.

I have a Gaspar thoughts post, but after that I got tired and didn't elaborate on Superdeath, Scooter, Nauf or Adrien, which I think is fine, we have 48 hours and if I die well at least you have this much in breadcrumbs on my CURRENT thoughts. And I want to make clear that all of these are subject to change. These are just my reads following the Lynch and some basic thoughts about why I have them. I expect to be wrong, but every day makes things clearer.

Lewwyn · September 4th, 2020, 10:59

So my thoughts on Gaspar are tough. I have felt pretty much back and forth on him during the Day 1. Often agreeing with him about things. Part of the issue with Gaspar is that he definitely helped set up Bob and Cyne trains. The original Bob train starts with Gaspar and then when it gains steam he gets off. The biggest issue here is that Bob made the train easier to get on and stay on. After that it was a matter of getting the next train going on Cyneheard. The point here is that when we get down to the end of the day and we see the trains building and it's not feeling right Gaspar let it ride. These are the places I felt Gaspar is most scummy.

This post says Nauf was super scummy but doesn't want to vote for him, instead people voting for nauf are scummy. Newbies are wolves too. And I also agree with giving someone a chance, nauf has consistently been wolfy. Additionally there are a LOT of newbies in this game, like 5? Statistically at least one of them is a wolf!

In conjunction with this post(also in the early day):

So this post has some missing quote brackets and stuff but basically Gaspar says SD is scummy, but Comm is scummier in the first half and he says nauf and SD have the scummiest posts in the game but all the vets are suspicious. I don't care so much about finding the vets suspicious, though its silly to say all of us are, I care more about the fact that again he says SD and nauf are the SCUMMIEST. Again as I pointed out, odds are that statistically 2 of the newbies are wolves. There are just too many.

Gaspar immediately thinks the worst of pindicator instead of being patient and trying to figure out if it was wolvian or human error.

Thereafter he has a built in excuse and reasoning for why he thinks pindi is suspicious and why he would vote for him. I just think that looking at Pindi's play I don't see wolf and I don't see Pindi's mistake as intentional. Why would a wolf make such an intentional mistake. I don't buy it. Does Gaspar have any reason to suspect Pindi beyond this? I think this is very important because later as I show, Gaspar has Pindi as his second lynch candidate. Wolves need to have at least a few "scum" targets.

Then the start of the Bob bus:

I think this post is very interesting because he's doing a couple things. He's giving both current and preemptive defenses and starting a vote a not present player. This is fine mostly. The newbies thing is not so good in this game and ignores the point that 5 people are new. That meta shouldn't have as much sway in this game, there are too many newbies. Always before its only been 1 or 2 newbies in our games at the most. But he's sticking to the meta and we sort of let him get away with it.

The Bob vote is fine, even the initial train is fine. Bob makes it harder by making it easy for everyone to vote for him and not really defending. Later it just becomes fait accompli because no one wants to give Bob another chance.

This one isn't going to age well:

See the point about this post is that he wants me to feel close to him but keep his ability to pretend to be suspicious of me. At least that's how I read it. The problem is that I both change my mind pretty consistently and lock in at times. Bob and Cyne were both good lynches AT THIS TIME, but by the end of the day I was soured on Bob and Cyne.

Which brings me to my point here about why I really suspect Gaspar. At the end of the day he twice repeats his commitment to Cyneheard, Pindicator and Bob.

I think he's too passive here and he's very much NOT pressing anything at this point. I don't think he's hunting anymore.

I even asked him to consider changing:

A) both of those are non-committal replies about Adrien and Scooter. B) He has now dropped Bob from his list of preferences.

So you are a villager and you are pretty sure about Cyneheard and you're also pretty sure that Bob is much less scummy, I mean you basically laughed in delight as Bob blew himself up:

Basically you said Bob is Bob and not evil, but then later you say he's third on your lynch list. Then you drop him from your preferred lynch.

So you have a lot of contradictions here and you didn't try too hard to dissuade people off the Bob bus. I think those are important notes but not damning, instead I think the lack of push for either Cyne or Pin when you can easily see the vote is highly in favor of Bob rather than your preferred candidates is more telling.

In the end I think Gaspar has a high chance to be scum. The overall vibe is a bit too careful.

Rowain · September 4th, 2020, 10:59

For day2 i would like a Adrien -lynch to happen.
Not only would his death and alignement-reveal clear up about the honesty of his pindi-attacks but also clear up if there were sinister motives for lewwyn last minute jump to cyneheard and especially to Serdoa making a huge list about Adrien looking bad but not switching his vote.

BRickAstley · September 4th, 2020, 11:00

End of Night 1.

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