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Irgy Wrote:Oh, and Irgy vs Mr Nice Guy was a joke. The village decided they were voting for me before he even accused me of anything. There was no evidence yay or nay, but we'd reached the stage of the game where that made me a relatively likely candidate. After that it was just him playing games with me.
It kinda felt that way for me too. I felt I refuted his claims quite well, but honestly when you are at this stage of the game with no power roles, players just have to vote on their gut and hope the majority figure it out.
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Rowain gave me this in case I did not die:
"Thoughts for Day 3"
Rowain Wrote:Hi my dear Baner: I send you again something which might become my last will. Please don't forward or discuss it . I will post it once day 3 starts (and I'm alive)
A new day dawns and I want to start it with some thoughts :
Now yesterday we have lost Meiz thanks to an overwhelming vote(9 out of 19 votes) against him. Now the hanging of innocent villagers is bound to happen but there is information to be gained by looking who voted for whom and for what reason!
So the start of the kill-meiz movement was made by Lewwyn based on his suspicion from Day 1 which was there because Meiz wanted MJW Seer-checked. An argument and reason which is laughable at best. He also adds Meiz vote for Sareln (switch to not kill a probable Baner an argument which several people including Sareln jined) as suspicion and that Meiz and sandovers post are similar in tone and brevity. Now there is something that both (sandover and Meiz) have in common: English is not their first language. (Serdoa and myself are sitting in the same boat).
Lewwyn is soon joined by Gaspar who simply says that he is not interesting to explain his reasons but thinks Meiz is a wolf. That just the right thing to do: Avoid any discussions about your reasons simply state xyz is guilty lynch him and if he is proven innocent, continue with the next.
The next interesting development is sunrise. He simple says. Having a 50% risk to kill the Baner is justified by a 50% of killing a wolf and therefore (therefore alone and he had not even read all of Meizâs posts) Meiz who objected (with several others) this idea is a wolf.
He later does expand it that he would happily kill all 4 powerroles if he gets 4 wolves too. Of course the remaining 2 wolves would have a beautiful live.
And then there came the final nail in Meizâs coffin. Rolands post but although Roland did vote for Meiz he himself founds only 1 post that he thought incriminating and called all other things circumstancial.
And then sllowly but steadily the Anti-Meiz votes came in: MJW, Kyan then Luddite with this interesting piece: All the evidence for this has been presented in excruciating details by Roland. So I'm changing my vote to Meiz As said before Roland did not really make a case in excruciating details against Meiz but still Luddite jumps on this bit and later even threadens Serdoa, who has doubts about Lewwyn, with a mob lynching
as the day continues sunrise posts again, voting for Meiz a second time and this time using the argument that Meiz didnât want MJW screened. An argument which is completely untrue as Meiz wanted MJW screened what put him on Lewwyns wrong foot.
When I returned home (2 hours before lynching) Meiz was in lead closely followed by Gaspar. At that time I got a PM from Roland asking me to help saving Gaspar with the assurance that Meiz is wolf. Still as I scanned Meizâs posts I couldnât find any wolvishness but I did a leap of trust and removed my vote from Gaspar.
Now where does that leave us. One thing I asked Roland yesterday was: âAre you sure you have not been played by the wolvesâ He denied such a possibility but I do believe that wolves played a huge part in yesterdays lynch and I do believe that wolves had messed with his head.
My main suspect are currently Lewwyn, Gaspar, sunrise and Luddite. I want to point out one Roland-quote: I don't trust Gaspar. I don't distrust him. I think he's been very useful to this point, even if only for my own personal ends, and I think I know what his strategy is
I will also quote Meizâs last words:
Regarding the bad guys, I expect you (good guys, that is) to request more answers from sunrise and Mr Nice Guy. Hopefully sunrise gets the chance to really participate, and I do hope that Mr Nice Guy answers to my doubts, and will let you draw conclusion based on that.
March 10th, 2011, 21:10
(This post was last modified: March 10th, 2011, 23:42 by Mr. Nice Guy.)
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Hi all! Before I read any posts, I want to post my brief thoughts about the likely last wolf... Rowain or Serdoa, in that order.
Gaspar approached me and Lewwyn before Day 8 to bring up Irgy. Although I put it out there and pushed for it, Irgy's lynching was his intellectual property. For that reason, I'm sure he wasn't a wolf. haphazard1 wouldn't have stuck with my voting all game if he was a wolf. Serdoa... convinced us all that he's innocent but misguided during Scooter's lynching day. Which leaves us with Rowain... who I hope they'll lynch tonight. Now to read the lurker thread and see how wrong I was and how many people laughed at our mistakes  
You can get a look at a t-bone by looking up the bulls ass but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it.
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Mr. Nice Guy Wrote:Hi all! Before I read any posts, I want to post my brief thoughts about the likely last wolf... Rowain or Serdoa, in that order.
Gaspar approached me and Lewwyn before Day 8 to bring up Irgy. Although I put it out there and pushed for it, Irgy's lynching was his intellectual property. For that reason, I'm sure he wasn't a wolf. [strike]Cyneheard[/strike] haphazard1 wouldn't have stuck with my voting all game if he was a wolf. Serdoa... convinced us all that he's innocent but misguided during Scooter's lynching day. Which leaves us with Rowain... who I hope they'll lynch tonight. Now to read the lurker thread and see how wrong I was and how many people laughed at our mistakes
Fixed. I've been dead for a while, chief.
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Cyneheard Wrote:Fixed. I've been dead for a while, chief.
lol, well duh. And honestly, when you tied Haphazard and me together, you wound up creating the second-mason that you wanted to, whether you realized it or not. I followed you advice of a small network all game long, sending PMs only to Hap and Roland until the game ends... with the exception of the obvious fishing play with Selrahc. He was correct, I was just looking to flush a wolf or two out -- at that point I was already doubtful that Gaspar was a wolf but thought he was the best candidate for a fishing play.
Irgy Wrote:I'll also never know whether just not replying to MNG even once would have worked better, however essentially genuine my defence might have been. I expect it would have. It's what I always advise others to do, but I just couldn't stick to it when the pressure was on. Live and learn I guess.
You'll have to ask Haphazard that. As Dantski mentioned, Lewwyn, Gaspar, and I were all dead-set on you from the start of Day 8. We had shared several PMs the night before comparing notes and it was going to be 3 votes against you. My goal was to make it no more than 3 votes against me, so I tried to get you talking as much as possible. I thought that if I could get you on the defensive and let Haphazard in on the plan, it would be a success. But since he was ultimately going to be the tie-breaker, you'll have to ask him.
As for the rest of the game... I haven't read the thread since my death but I'm sure it's game over. We had mixed feelings about Serdoa, but had agreed to go after Rowain first. Suspecting I could die overnight, I sent Hap a PM explaining the last two days and letting him know I was certain Gaspar was innocent. That considered, I'm sure that it will be Rowain and Serdoa lynched in that order. I hope so, at least.
Oh and Selrahc, I was very entertained to see you write "They know Mr Nice Guy has a special role" about the wolves.
And Scooter, I notice no one guessed your reasoning up thread. Care to spill some beans on that?
You can get a look at a t-bone by looking up the bulls ass but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it.
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Lewwyn Wrote:Well Serdoa's innocent because there was no reason for him to switch to Scooter when MNG is innocent if he is a wolf. The working theory is that Serdoa actually believed Scooter was innocent and wanted the villagers to lose. Too bad Scooter convinced him so well he was a villager.
Haphazard voted to kill Irgy, the second to last wolf, just in time for auto-lynch. If he were a wolf he would NOT have wanted to do that, if anything he would have wanted to delay the lynching and see if he could get me or someone to switch
I'm innocent. 
I believe Gaspar is innocent because he helped lynched Scooter with MNG when I wasn't even helping there. Also, he's the one who made the initial push at Irgy. MNG just agreed and volunteered to lead the charge, which probably got him killed ) .
Rowain is the only one who is left. He wasn't expecting the auto-lynch on Irgy so his plan to follow me and gain cover backfired. He believed he still had time int the day phase. He also voted to lynch MNG (under the guise that he was simply going to vote with me for the rest of the game.) teh MNG lynch also makes sense with Rowain as the wolf because Gaspar was his main accuser. If he kills Gaspar it makes him suspicious. If he kills me he loses the chance that I'm actually going to make a push on Haphazard, which I was never going to do. That was simply a ploy to lead you on Rowain. This way you don't kill me at night and I get to live to the end of the game :neenernee.
Never underestimate self-preservation!
I've actually been suspicious of Rowain for a long time. Roland always said you were innocent, which is why I approached you in emails. But your last email to me after a two day exchange tipped me off. You were pretending that my questions about what you thought were "too wolfish" like you didn't trust me, but i was obviously a villager at that point based on everything I'd told you. I may have played it too cool after that by not continuing the email exchange, but I had gotten what I wanted from the exchange. From there on out you were near the top of my list. What was that 2 and a half weeks ago? Well fruition comes!
Rowain, my one question is will you continue to vote the same as me?
Anyone see this coming 
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To provide some background - this is answering the question that MNG asked me after I was lynched - as to why I took so long to switch my vote from haphazard to MNG despite all the pressure on me.
Mr. Nice Guy Wrote:And Scooter, I notice no one guessed your reasoning up thread. Care to spill some beans on that?
There wasn't a big huge plan, but there was a small reason that mostly involved being theatrical so that I could potentially use it later. I knew once I was lynched, I would turn out guilty, so if I was hesitant to vote for you then it would cast some doubt on you. I knew it wouldn't cast huge amounts of doubt, but if someone was skeptical about you, I figured it might be the best way to push them over to top is for them to remember that me (the wolf) was hesitant to kill you off - possibly trying to protect the wolf who had less suspicion. The flipside was that if I survived and killed you and you turned out innocent (which you would of course), I could explain my way out of voting for you because it was just to save my skin. I would of course have tons of pressure the next day anyways, but saying that I was just trying to save myself would give me the best alibi for voting for you.
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So if this game ends today, when will WW3 launch?
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scooter Wrote:So if this game ends today, when will WW3 launch?
I'd give it about a day-long rest for last minute signups and for the current players to catch their metaphorical breaths. Then off to the races.
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So Hello there and I have a lot of reading to do the next days
Grats to all the villagers living or dead exept Serdoa who loses with us :neenernee
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