Werewolf 12: Game Thread

[Catwalk]

pling and Jkaen have been posting a fair bit, and have been sticking their neck out somewhat. All of Sareln's 10 posts are very brief and a few without content (2 vote tallies and 1 typo correction). Are you hiding anything Sareln? To be fair, Sareln did put an important vote on MNG so it's highly unlikely he'd be a member of the white pack. As stated above, I believe it's highly likely we have two packs.

Tasunke and Molach also stand out to me, Tasunke because of his presence last game and Molach because he almost got away with playing an inactive wolf before.

[novice]

Care to explain that?

You seem to have given a lot of thought on how the setup balances for the wolves. Considering how to use an announcer role etc.

And there's your insistence to link Zak to MNG which just seems contrived to me. If I understand correctly you're saying MNG voted Zak initially to gain town cred. That actually seems to have been the case, but why would Zak have to be in on it?

[Commodore]

Sigh, forgive the lack of seriousness here, combined with this weekend's busyness (see also the update frequency on my civ threads) I realize it's leading to a flippant tone. I am slightly curious, Mardoc, why you think I'm sounding all calculating and deliberately inept. I was fairly convinced about MNG's iffy sound, as I mentioned (quickly, flippantly) before going Tasunke. Why did you take so long?

[Rowain]

You seem to have given a lot of thought on how the setup balances for the wolves. Considering how to use an announcer role etc.

If you look at the Setup-thread you will see that I mentioned the impossibility of balancing a 2-wolfpack game. I was also against a 2-wolfpack game in the poll.Maybe you can believe me that I have given the whole possible setups lot of thought before the game started.

And there's your insistence to link Zak to MNG which just seems contrived to me. If I understand correctly you're saying MNG voted Zak initially to gain town cred. That actually seems to have been the case, but why would Zak have to be in on it?

Read the whole szenario, Why has zak now reacted (like I did) when MNG made the stumble with the aliens . Why has zak nt reacted (as others have) to MNGs mistake with his too many candidates - lets introduce a new one.
Look how fast Tasunke sored to 6 votes .

Current tally

Tasunke (6) - Gaspar, Mr. Nice Guy, zakalwe pling Catwalk Serdoa
Mr. Nice Guy (4) - Injera, Lewwyn, Rowain, uberfish
Ichabod (3) - Sareln, Tasunke novice
Catwalk (2) - Commodore, Meiz
pling (2) - Mardoc, pindicator
Molach (1) - Bigger
Mardoc (1) - Ichabod
Commodore (1) - Jkaen

No Vote - Molach


Anybody knows if Molach even knows the game has started?

Thats the standing then. Do you really believe that were all just innocent villagers that helped push Tasunke past the wolf MNG? Have you folowed the exchange following his vote for me? He simple pulled on every straw to construct a case based on the fact that uberfish mistook a post of mine about the Introductionary post as a post about the PM. HAve you seen any argument from zak to vote agaisnt me besides this nonsense? You do realise that villager uberfish trusted me enough to support me and go after MNG. Doesn't it strike you strange that if zak is so convinced that I'm a wolf he switched of me to kill MNG? What other reason as to get some town-cred by bussing an unsaveable comrade.


You see that I have deliberatly not votred so far. I want to hear a bit more and not make this whole day a rowain vs xy day. I want to hear from a calmed Gaspar (no matteer if wolf or not) I want to hear more discussion from Tsaunke and others but instead we have silence and thats always bad for the village.

So what are your thoughts in general besides your fondness to vote with zak?

[pling]

D3 open beta ate pretty much all of my free time today, I've barely managed to tear myself away before I had to so that I can come & play this other game I signed myself up for I don't want to harp on about how I don't have much time today right throughout this post that'll get dull for me too - normal service will be resumed tomorrow.

First up - good write-up NH, loved the pic Shame to see uberfish go so soon, especially before he got to shoot anyone! I wonder if his posts might give us some more leads to go on, if he'd hit a bit close to the bone somewhere?

Second, re: number of wolf packs speculation. I'm inclined towards it being a 2 pack set up - NH tends towards fewest-words-possible after all, why would he say they were the white wolves if they were also the only wolves? To mess with our heads, perhaps, or for flavour but it's tipping me towards the idea of 2 packs.

Next, a vote, some discussion:

Commodore is still my front runner for the wolf-du-jour, he's not looking any less suspicious, and not looking any more like he's actually hunting for wolves (or if he is, he's not telling us his thoughts about it).

I agree with the general thought that we should keep discussing other options - it's only good news for the other wolves (of which we must have some, 2 would be far too few) if we spend the day just discussing one person.

Sareln is still pinging for me - lowish content, but popping up enough that we know he's here. Yes, he votes for MNG, but if we have two wolf packs then he could be the other one. Or if there's one pack then there'll be enough wolves they could well've just accepted the loss & had some of the wolves vote for MNG for cover.

Also pinging still is Tasunke, him being a Watcher doesn't mean he's not a Wolf too and we're back to radio silence now, aren't we? Maybe it's too early to say about that tho, it's early in Day 2 & possible he too is having his weekend eaten by D3 or life. I'd like to know more about what he may or may not've seen last night with his Watchy powers, the wolves didn't eat him after all so he hopefully did something useful for the village?

Some thoughts on other things that've been discussed so far:

Rowain does seem to've put a lot of thought into the balance of possible set-ups, but then we are all talking about it at the moment anyway so I don't think that's particularly a wolf tell.

Zakalwe yanking votes around to try & save MNG is certainly something he could do, but I don't really buy him as bus-ing MNG when he did switch back at day end. Given he'd been doing his best Pied Piper act all afternoon, then he'd surely know he'd probably just sealed MNG's fate by doing that? It would seem reckless if they were both wolves (and on the same wolf-y team). Unlike with Sareln, I think a wolf Zakalwe would be aware that he has gravitational force.

Ichabod still reads innocent to me, coz he always does. Of course, MNG did turn out to be guilty, so mebbe Ichabod will be innocent too However, I'm starting to wonder about how he seems to be around a lot but I can't really put my finger on any idea of who he's after/what he sees as the suspects. Could well be my fault

That's not covered everything for sure, but like I said at the top - normal service resumed tomorrow

[Bigger]

well, I'm glad to see you are alive Molach. I was concerned about a mod-kill. Now you're here I hope you will participate, and now just vote enough to avoid being killed off.. (a mod kill would certainly be bad for the rest of your tribe???)


Come Commodore, tell us what you really thinK! <g>

[novice]

Rowain, I like your answer. I still don't agree with your reasoning but I don't find it too suspicious either. Main thing I disagree on is that there are many other players who pushed alternatives to MNG and/or could be suspected of bussing. Gaspar is maybe the most obvious one.

Anyway I'm more in favour of looking for general scumminess at this point, and analyze voting patterns later. So I'm just going to go ahead and vote Commodore, since this is shaping up to be a low-content day anyway.

As for other thoughts, I mentioned some suspects on night one, and I have a list of likely town too that I'll hold on to a bit longer. Nothing too mindboggling on that list though. Apart from that, nothing too specific although prodding lurkers is of course always good.

[Catwalk]

If Commodore is lynched with no real competition, this day will tell us nothing. Why wait before presenting your thoughts on other players? I think at least a few more players should be pressured to the point of lynching before rolling over Commodore. That won't happen with a heavy pile of votes.

[Tasunke]

last night I stood by the Shanty in which Sareln was residing.

I did not notice anyone suspicious appear.

[pindicator]

If Commodore is lynched with no real competition, this day will tell us nothing. Why wait before presenting your thoughts on other players? I think at least a few more players should be pressured to the point of lynching before rolling over Commodore. That won't happen with a heavy pile of votes.

Wait, did you just give all the wolves out there a free pass for today Catwalk? I read this as saying "let's put pressure on other people... But we're not really going to lynch anybody and we'll vote for Commodore in the end anyway". And why would you give them a pass like that?