American Politics Discussion Thread

[greenline]

If you ever read stuff about how Russian propaganda is influencing and meddling with the democracy, just take a moment and read this guy's posts. Imagine a billion facebook comments about how Biden is George W Genocide because of some bullshit going on in Palestine. That's all it is. Be very afraid, Putin is coming for your deranged zoomers on tiktok and confused grandmas.

[Mjmd]

You have given 0 evidence Trump would be better. Just because Biden bad does not = Trump good. I keep asking for why you think he would be. Again, you keep posting a picture of REPUBLICANS who invited Netanyahu to the US and seem very supportive in that picture. What makes you think they would be better? You are proving my point FOR ME. I will ask for the 20th time it seems like for an actual argument for why you think Republicans would be better. You can keep saying Biden bad and I will keep asking you to make an argument for why Trump would do better. Did you even look up what Ad Nauseum fallacy was? You can say Biden bad all you want and I won't argue that on this subject. But just saying Trump would be better with not only no argument for it, but plenty of evidence contrary isn't very persuasive.

I agree we should be protesting more. I wonder if Trump said he would crush pro-Palestinian protests and throw the protestors out of the country. There is a reason I only gave him a 2% chance to be better on Gaza and I thought that generous.

[Charr Babies]

I never said trump = good. In fact, inside this tread I have repeatedly said I have no love for trump. I don't need to address the red herring and strawmen you throw my way and let you go off on a tangent. Stop twisting my words. As bad as trump is, it is beyond ludicrous to compare what he did (or whatever you accuse him of) against genocide. Genocide crossed the red line - biden must go,  trump or no trump.

[Charr Babies]

If you ever read stuff about how Russian propaganda is influencing and meddling with the democracy, just take a moment and read this guy's posts. Imagine a billion facebook comments about how Biden is George W Genocide because of some bullshit going on in Palestine. That's all it is. Be very afraid, Putin is coming for your deranged zoomers on tiktok and confused grandmas.

IIRC, you have concluded a couple of threads back it is genocide (now down graded to some bullshit ) happening in gaza. Only that you were trying your hardest to justify it.

[Mjmd]

I never said trump = good. In fact, inside this tread I have repeatedly said I have no love for trump. Stop twisting my words. As bad as trump is, it is beyond ludicrous to compare what he did (or whatever you accuse him of) against genocide. Genocide crossed the red line - biden must go,  trump or no trump.

I have given evidence Trump would most likely be worse. Multiple actions and statements. You have given 0 evidence it would be better under him. You have actually given evidence for me that it would be worse. Its not like you are unaware of who is in the photo you have posted twice.

I'll also note AGAIN, that Kamala is running NOT Biden. Biden is going, you get that either way. Kamala has come out and said the war must end. Now I don't know what she will do. I doubt it will be enough, but there is at least some hope there. What actions or statements make you think Trump would be better. It is ludicrous to look at the statements and actions of both candidates and conclude Trump would be better than either. 

Make an argument Trump would be better. I can keep asking and you will keep on not providing. We can keep doing this, but you need to make an actual argument at some point. I will assume when you no doubt post again without said argument that you don't have one. I've asked enough now and you keep avoiding that that is a valid conclusion. So post and then I'll say "you don't have an argument. Post and I'll say "you don't have an argument". Ect. Give me an argument Trump would be better. Give me some statements or actions he has made that make you think that. Go through why the examples I have given aren't relevant.

[darrelljs]

I would be shocked if Kamala touched this topic in any meaningful way during the campaign, and I would be shocked if she changed US policy if elected.  I would be shocked if Trump DIDN'T change US policy .

Darrell

[Charr Babies]

I never said trump = good. In fact, inside this tread I have repeatedly said I have no love for trump. Stop twisting my words. As bad as trump is, it is beyond ludicrous to compare what he did (or whatever you accuse him of) against genocide. Genocide crossed the red line - biden must go,  trump or no trump.

I have given evidence Trump would most likely be worse. Multiple actions and statements. You have given 0 evidence it would be better under him. You have actually given evidence for me that it would be worse.

LoL. Did you even read what you quoted me in your reply? You are still trying to twist my words to say trump would be better. I am not and don't have to defend trump. When the genocide redline is crossed, biden must go - trump or no trump. biden must go. It's not about trump being better or not. How obtuse are you!? 

Its not like you are unaware of who is in the photo you have posted twice.

Its not like you are unaware of who is in the photo you have posted twice.

Exactly! See, that’s the issue with having partisan perspectives such as yourself. To me the photo shows corruption to the core, democrats or republican. Besides, it's not like anyone can just invite a war criminal to parade in the mighty us congress without certain approval. I think it was clinton who exclaimed "Wtf does he think he (netanyahu) is, who is the boss here?"

that Kamala is running NOT Biden. Biden is going

The rest of your reply is just you regurgitating the same garbage twisting my words. Weak!

Kamala wasn't a sure thing when this thread started. So "biden must go, trump or no trump." stands.
Kamala did the right thing for excusing herself from the welcoming party at congress. I am liking what she starts to say. Wait and see if she can take a harder/solid stance. 

See how not being bounded by having partisan perspectives can use reasons instead of blind loyalty? Corruption to the core!

[greenline]

The primary one responsible for the Gaza genocide is Netanyahu. Secondary to blame is the Israeli population. The Israelis are more primitive than people often think, and their reaction to seeing Palestinians murdering and raping their people was not to wonder about the blowback that peaceful muslims might face. They wanted blood for blood, and are getting it. The Palestinians are meanwhile whining that it's okay when they do a little bit of wanton rape and murder of civilians, but now it's totally unfair when it's happening to them. That is their only recourse because their main backers are Qatar and humanitarian organizations, neither of whom can hope to win in a straight up fight.

The best solution one can hope to get to the Palestine quandrary is for the UN and state department people to come to the conclusion that Palestine has no ability to form a state out of the scraps of the West Bank and Gaza, so continuing to prop them up is just going to result in endless conflicts like this one. As long as Israel is Israel it's not going to be happy with angry militants on the border. So they should just let Israel annex both areas. The money going towards aid that ends up in Hamas's pockets could be redirected towards engineering a population transfer deal like the one done by Greece and Turkey back in the day, so that the Palestinians could have a town built for them somewhere in a neighboring muslim country where they learn to behave. Kamala of course will never do this because her job is to toe the democrat party line. I don't know if Trump would make it happen, as while he is pro Israel he also gets annoyied with foreign policy and was content with the Arab-Israeli peace deal.

[Mjmd]

Better on Gaza. Prove he would be better on Gaza. Specific scenario you are saying you care about. Give me any hope of this. We've established already Biden is going, but even if he wasn't you should still be able to provide some idicators Trump would be better.

To be fair I can only identify 3 of those people by sight in that photo, McConnel, Mcarthy and Netenyahu (although that may be Ron Johnson turned sideways behind them). I know Israeli support is somewhat bi partisan, but its not like its a secret which side is more so. I'm also aware Republicans recently invited him again.

So you like what Kamala is saying, but will vote for Trump anyways? Now I'm more confused.

I have thought of another example that may indicate why I'm confused.

Lets say you care about climate change and think addressing it is vital to human civilization going forward. I don't know if you do or not, but for this exercise try to pretend that you do.

Biden hasn't done enough on Climate Change. Because the future of humanity depends on it, I am going to vote for Trump.

Do you see why your logic is confusing? By your logic if I care about climate change I should vote for Trump, who like Israel has multiple examples and statements indicating he would be worse. Have you ever heard of shooting yourself in the foot? Although that usually is in association with an accident instead of purposefully.

[Charr Babies]

I would be shocked if Kamala touched this topic in any meaningful way during the campaign, and I would be shocked if she changed US policy if elected.  I would be shocked if Trump DIDN'T change US policy .

Darrell

Ditto.

Just the thought of Trump's possible return is enough for Ukraine to send its foreign minster to China seeking ‘common ground’ with China in talks on ending war with Russia.