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(June 18th, 2013, 01:08)kjn Wrote: The pillaging of Spanish land is an empty threat - and if there is one thing one shouldn't do it is to make empty threats.
We don't have any units to send over there, when we get there the fighting will be mostly over, and it would leave us with units stuck in a bad place once the curtain goes down.
It is not an empty threat. The chariots have 6 moves over the roads we can get there quickly. The Spanish cities are not all conquered, they are not all out of revolt and will not be for some time.
We can whip the chariots out of starfall very quickly. We can draft this turn and also start a WC. Next turn we 2 pop whip it. The over flow goes into a second chariot, we don't draft for a turn.
You are underestimating how fast a WC can reach Spanish lands and how long those cities will be in revolt.
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(June 18th, 2013, 01:32)Lewwyn Wrote: We can whip the chariots out of starfall very quickly. We can draft this turn and also start a WC. Next turn we 2 pop whip it. The over flow goes into a second chariot, we don't draft for a turn.
No - we can't. War chariots are bloody obsolete right now, as I've just told all you of.
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Ah well. I think with the gifted Longbow we have more serious things to consider.
I am sure the pillaging issue can be used in negotiations down the line with CFC.
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(June 18th, 2013, 01:37)kjn Wrote: (June 18th, 2013, 01:32)Lewwyn Wrote: We can whip the chariots out of starfall very quickly. We can draft this turn and also start a WC. Next turn we 2 pop whip it. The over flow goes into a second chariot, we don't draft for a turn.
No - we can't. War chariots are bloody obsolete right now, as I've just told all you of.
That still doesn't stop us from sending the WCs we have resting from running over there as zargon pointed out.
At the very least we send the msg and send two of the chariots towards CFC. The msg is not an empty threat if we are willing to do it. And why aren't we?
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(June 18th, 2013, 01:50)Lewwyn Wrote: That still doesn't stop us from sending the WCs we have resting from running over there as zargon pointed out.
No, they're not resting, they're in German lands as well. Even if they were around Wasserburg, they'd be a long way away from the Spanish lands.
Even at six tiles per turn, it will take a unit out of Starfall four turns to get from there to the former Spanish city of Umgungundlovu, and by that time the war might very well be over.
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I think Lewwyn s point is that they can pillage while coming out of revolt.
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(June 18th, 2013, 01:55)kjn Wrote: (June 18th, 2013, 01:50)Lewwyn Wrote: That still doesn't stop us from sending the WCs we have resting from running over there as zargon pointed out. by that time the war might very well be over.
MIGHT! It might be over it might not. And even if it is over, those cities will still be in revolt. Haven't you ever conquered a big area in Civ4 and you spend turns without culture covering the lands? And even after they are out of revolt there's another turn where we can pillage towns that are outside first ring. If we send two chariots they can pillage multiple towns.
Have you seen how upset we were about the pillaging? If we were to simply tell CFC okay we plan on pillaging too, don't you think their ire would go insane? Scooter has already laid the groundwork. He's told them that we're willing to drop ivory and all and not burn bridges. We've shown the carrot. How about we let them know that the stick is out there?
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And let me be clear I'm not advocating threatening them. I'm saying just do it send the chariots and let CFC the chariots begin to move through their territory. We don't need to threaten. We just say, "Oh your idea about helping your econ with pillage sounds great. We'd like to do that too." Watch how fast CFC comes scuttling to the diplo table then.
Its not a threat if we just do it. Words don't mean shit and in that respect I agree with you. But you are being too rigid kjn. You're failing to recognize opportunity because it might be "too late". We don't know that. All we know is that right now we haven't tried yet.
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So who are Apolyton's neighbors and how much of Apolyton do they want?
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(June 18th, 2013, 03:05)antisocialmunky Wrote: So who are Apolyton's neighbors and how much of Apolyton do they want?
Mainly CivFr, and some small border with Univers. Univers has no military tech to speak of (they have maces, but no Feudalism or even HBR). CivFr is a possibility, but I'd rather CivFr beat up on CFC than Apolyton. That said, from a geographic standpoint it makes more sense for CivFr to beat up Apolyton than CFC.
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