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Injera Wrote:And now, since I would love to at least figure out if everyone else thinks I'm completely insane for suspecting zakalwe, let me ask the village: 1) Do you think my suspicions against him have any weight? and 2) If you think zakalwe is basically a strong innocent, what makes you think that?

Until I hear some opinions from the other villagers on that I'm going to put my vote on zakalwe again.

1. I don't think so, because 2. zakalwe's behavior this game reminds me a lot of his pas villager performances. He easily gets stuck on one idea, and convinces the whole village that he's correct. Sometimes he is, sometimes he isn't, but he's a skilled politician, in that he frequently gets people to see his side of things. The key difference between wolf-zak and village-zak is that the wolf is slightly hesitant to stick his neck out on the line. It's a slight difference, but I don't see any hesitance in this game so far, which is what makes me believe he is plausibly, likely, almost certainly, etc etc etc.. a strong innocent.
You can get a look at a t-bone by looking up the bulls ass but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it.
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I have to say on my first read through of the day I'm quite frustrated. I'm frustrated at the lack of interaction - there's been a lot of little punches at people that are just getting ignored. That's smart wolf play if you can get away with it, but usually as a village we've been smart enough to not let folks get away with it. This time someone raises a point on someone else, the attackee either says nothing at all or posts some brief blase defense and nobody talks about it. Again, I'm not interested in antagonizing everyone but if we lose this we're going to hear its because we have no seer, and I think its because for some reason this village isn't trying very hard.

I'm quite frustrated that Serdoa keeps calling me wolfish for no reason whatsoever. At least Meiz and Roland had something when they poked at me - and I don't mind being poked at - we all need to be poked a little to get to the truth. But Serdoa's accusations seem solely to be "He doesn't have this all figured out yet and he should, so he must be a wolf." How the hell can anyone figure this all out with the low information in the thread? I've posted my thoughts and backed them with reasons, I've tried drawing out responses both for the purposes of clearing innocents and catching wolves (both ultimately lead to the village winning.) I'm a different player than WW2 because being a wolf twice in a row has made me a better player, I think. I can't recapture that voice to please everyone, I don't have it anymore. But I think you'll find my behavior consistent with my behavior anywhere else on these forums.

All I have right now are inklings. But something stuck out while I was reading at work - I think Erebus is trying very hard to imply he's the vigilante, which was not my original read on who was the vigilante. That makes me strongly suspect wolf trying to ninja role claim. Maybe I'm wrong, and only the real vigilante knows, but that's the vibe I got from his "I'm going to lay my cards out - oh wait, no I'm not" post. It smells strongly of a bogus role claim - reminds me a bit of Sandover from WW2, actually. So even though I think bandwagons are a really bad idea this to me was a big enough tell that I'm moving my vote to Erebus.

I'll take another poke through the thread later tonight and see if there's anything I missed. I would encourage all the players to contribute something to the discussion today - even if you're not a wolf if the best you can do is throw up your hands and say "I don't know" you're not helping at all. Even bad theories can be constructive.
I've got some dirt on my shoulder, can you brush it off for me?
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I'm having a mixed feeling about if I should elaborate on what I wanted to post in the fakeedit. Basically I thought I knew who the Vigilante is, but I don't want to call them out if I still have a day for the vote to shift.

I wrote up a post in place of this one to try and explain why I put that odd statement. Once again however, I don't want to oust a possibly confirmed villager if I don't have to.

I'll copy the post to a notepad, and if Roland and Zak want to see, I'll post it. Otherwise I'll keep it to myself until I need to justify myself again.



However, I'm being attacked for having similiar theories to everyone else, but presenting them in odd and suspicious manners.
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Crosspost with Gaspar.

I am not the vigilante, I just thought at the beginning of the day who was.

I'm worried that I'm right, because that'll give the wolves one (the vigilante) or possibly two (if you believe me) confirmed innocents to kill.
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Gaspar Wrote:I still think Ichabod is too quiet for my tastes but I can see nobody is very interested in that. So I have to say Catwalk seems to be trying really hard to chum up with zakalwe, even leaping to his defense virtually unprompted. I recognize this behavior from doing it myself in previous games when I played wolf.

Care to explain why you think you need to carry zak's water for him, Catwalk?

Noted, and makes sense. For me, the line where Catwalk said "I'll parrot zak's vote" stuck out. As though zak needs help making a banwagon form! smile
You can get a look at a t-bone by looking up the bulls ass but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it.
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Sareln Wrote:Vote-wise for now I want to put my vote on JKaen. In WW5, we let Pling get away with too many excuses about being unavailable to play, and I don't want to repeat the mistake.

JKaen, what do you think of all this?

Holding off on posting this until I hit "next page" ... but... several posts from you in a row, half of which were tallies, and half of which were very brief explanations, with very little new substance.

I tell you what. If I hit "next page" and you don't have anything posted on page 43 (after your flurry on page 41/42), I'm going to post this with your name in red...

And not a single post on page 43. I may take this back if you deliver that thoughtful post you promised on page (41? 40?) ... but at the end of page 42 I can see two things happening that would benefit wolf-Sareln too much:
*Bandwagon forms against Erebus, and people forget about Sareln.
*Bandwagon forms against Injera, and people forget about Sareln.
*Bandwagon forms against a quiet person, and people forget... well, you get the picture.

Sareln.
You can get a look at a t-bone by looking up the bulls ass but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it.
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Erebus Wrote:Crosspost with Gaspar.

I am not the vigilante, I just thought at the beginning of the day who was.

I'm worried that I'm right, because that'll give the wolves one (the vigilante) or possibly two (if you believe me) confirmed innocents to kill.

Why would you announcing the name of the vigilante make you a confirmed innocent?
"You want to take my city of Troll%ng? Go ahead and try."
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Well, Erebus obviously I thought that the identity of the vigilante was fairly obvious, which I stated in several posts at the beginning of the day. I also stated that I didn't want to get in the habit of revealing roles for players on our side, so I'll leave that to the vigilante if they want. I'm not sure why Roland and Zakalwe are the arbiters of who should say what - but I personally think that this sort of speculation doesn't help us. If the vigi wants to role claim, let them. But I don't think its your place or mine to do that for them.

I just dislike the idea of "I have this great piece of info, lemme save it for later." The only great piece of info you could have that is worth keeping secret is if you're the baner, and if you're the baner and you're dropping this many tells you're a very soon to be dead idiot. No offense. smile

If anyone isn't aware, baner is pretty much the one role you should never role claim. Because you are 100% lock-solid dead certain eaten the following night if the wolves have a role-blocker. You're also the most valuable power-role we have, because if you're smart you can buy us extra mislynches if the game goes on long enough. So if there's a baner out there, shut up and protect someone. smile
I've got some dirt on my shoulder, can you brush it off for me?
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Day 2 Lynch Tally

3v: Erebus (Zakalwe, Catwalk, Gaspar)
2v: Zakalwe (Injera, Serdoa)
2v: Jkaen (Scooter, Sareln)
1v: Catwalk (Erebus)
1v: Scooter (Meiz)
1v: Sareln (MNG)

10/14 voting

Not voting: Roland, Jkaen, Twinkletoes, Ichabod

History:
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1. MNG votes for Roland
2. Erebus votes for Jkaen
3. Scooter votes for Jkaen (2)
4. MNG changes vote from Roland to Scooter
5. Gaspar votes for Ichabod
6. Serdoa votes for Sareln
7. Meiz votes for Scooter (2)
8. Serdoa changes vote from Sareln to Scooter (3)
9. Zakalwe votes for Erebus
10. Injera votes for Zakalwe
11. Catwalk votes for Erebus (2)
12. Serdoa changes vote from Scooter to Erebus (3)
13. Sareln votes for Jkaen (3)
14. Gaspar changes vote from Ichabod to Catwalk
15. Erebus changes vote from Jkaen to Catwalk (2)
16. Serdoa changes vote from Erebus to Zakalwe (2)
17. Gaspar changes vote from Catwalk to Erebus (3)
18. MNG changes vote from Scooter to Sareln
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Someone check that for me, I've never done this before, but I felt I had to, from the beginning because the previous tally was WRONG.

The mistake I notice was minor, but it could have been indicative of other mistakes. Sareln made the first vote tally and left off MNG initial vote, if anyone wants to compare and see if anything else is different be my guess. Who messed up the Tally yesterday? Wasn't it Sareln with Zakalwe catching the mistake. I have to ask the question is this honest mistakes or information manipulation.

@Twinkletoes, Gaspar. My issue is that I didn't want to oust the Vigilante. When I wrote my original piece, I thought I had to save my life, but I was wrong. Naming the Vigilante now could make me a possible innocent for my desire to protect him.

Gaspar, not everyone thinks the same, and not everyone connects the same dots. We both might have the same person in mind. However, I agree with you, and that was my dilemma. I didn't believe that it was right for me to put out my theory (much as you didn't want to put out your theory), because if I was right, then I role-claimed the Vigilante for him. Let the wolves do their own work.

I specifically talked about Roland and Zakalwe because they were grilling me on it and I believe both are innocent for now.
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