Diplomacy Master Thread- Helping Your Opponents Beat Themselves

[Sullla]

WPC offered dyes in-game, so I went in and accepted the deal. Then I went ahead and had a fairly long conversation with them about strategy. They said that they weren't planning on moving in against Warendorf - again - which prompted the following conversation. As always with Civ4, read from bottom to top:







At first, I just wanted them to move their Sentry chariot forward a tile, and tell us if the German army was still sitting there. Instead, they built a road and moved up a non-Sentry chariot... uh, ok... I don't think they know how Sentry units actually work...

But this did reveal the key information that we needed to know: the German army has NOT moved back to defend their capital. It's still concentrated just to the south of Warendorf: 14 cats, 7 elephants, 14 axes, and 6 chariots. I counted tiles on the map, and there's no possible way for those units to get into the capital in time to defend it. We are cleared to take Webringen, and once that happens, the rest of Germany will crack open with ease.

Oh, but it gets better yet! WPC has another huge stack of outdated units moving up to the border, and they're going to combine their forces next turn on the cows tile northeast of Warendorf. They said they have about 50-60 units in total, all outdated useless crap, but a lot of units. The Germans will surely hit that stack with their own stack, and it will be a glorious bloodbath on all sides. WPC will pay most of the costs of the war, and we'll reap most of the spoils. Absolutely perfect. (Speaker and I both think that the Germans are still pissed at WPC, and don't have much in the way of hard feelings against us, so they are concentrating their army up north to screw over WPC. It does make sense.)



There's the situation without the text boxes. It's setting up for an epic slaughter when WPC moves in on T155. The big WPC second stack must be on the wheat tile, there's no other place it can be and move to the cows next turn, so the Germans can fully see that stack assembling. They know it's coming. Their army is waiting. The carnage will be... so beautiful.

And meanwhile, we take out the capital and then race through the rest of Germany with our two-movers. GG.

EDIT: I'm sure that these links are right. Try going direct to the images, maybe?

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19563179/ISDG/ISDG-1075s.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19563179/ISDG/ISDG-1076s.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19563179/ISDG/ISDG-1077s.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19563179/ISDG/ISDG-1078s.jpg

[scooter]

I'm not going to post over there publicly at CFC, I'd prefer to continue not doing that as long as I'm the diplo voice. If we post it, Ceiliazul should probably do it. I'm indifferent about posting it. It might help close a loophole, but it also might just remind teams that they could exploit something like this if they want. I really don't know which it will be, hence my "don't get your hopes up" comment.

Anyway, time to send some messages. Drafts.

Beta,

Well the new turn is ready to go for us now. Any chance you can fill us in on what you can see with your sentry chariot? We can see a little bit with our own chariot, but you guys will have better vision overall. At a glance it does look like they are headed down to defend their capital against our advancing army, but it's difficult to be sure right now.

Thanks,
scooter - Team RB

I see no reason at all to hold this one, so I'll briefly leave it up for review, and if nobody yelps quickly I will send it.

Draft to CivFr:

Hey guys. I haven't heard from you about our last couple messages, so I wanted to send you a quick message to see how things are going. Any updates on your situation with regards to CFC?

Thanks,
scooter - Team RB

I don't know why teams sign up for diplo games, and then refuse to respond to messages.

preview-edit: this was crossposted with Sullla

[scooter]

So with Sullla's chat in mind, I think we're safe to scrap the draft to WPC. Input on the CivFr chase-up is welcome. My only real comment is I think keeping it brief and to-the-point with them is generally important.

[Boldly Going Nowhere]

So with Sullla's chat in mind, I think we're safe to scrap the draft to WPC. Input on the CivFr chase-up is welcome. My only real comment is I think keeping it brief and to-the-point with them is generally important.

Your response sounds about right. Probably we should expect no response there either.

[Ruff_Hi]

I think that WPC likes communication. Send it but with a comment that our turn players chatted in game and answered the questions anyway. Finish with something along the lines of 'good to keep the communication flowing'.

[Hesmyrr]

Who's going to be posting the gold gift message over the CFC?

[kalin]

Suggestions for civfr: "We would like to work with you but we cannot if you don't answer to our messages. Any updates on your war with CFC?"

Kalin

[antisocialmunky]

Could we have an observer fraps the bloodbath?

[spacetyrantxenu]

Could we have an observer fraps the bloodbath?

"Goddammit, they stack attacked and we missed it. They also failed to capture the city." -One possible outcome.

[Ceiliazul]

I'd be happy to post something like this at CFC:

This turn we received an offer from the Spanish where they offered to gift us their remaining gold and gpt. We find it a nice gesture of friendship, but from an in-game perspective we don't think it's appropriate for a dying civ to gift all their assets to their favorite rival. That could be very unbalancing in unfair and unfun ways, so we declined the spanish offer. We hope other teams feel the same way about this and will act accordingly if the situation were to arise again.