Diplomacy Master Thread- Helping Your Opponents Beat Themselves

[fluffyflyingpig]

Ceil, please post that. Please also post a request for the game admin to make a ruling on future similar gifts.

[Ruff_Hi]

I thought we were very slow playing any admin involvement.

[Ceiliazul]

I don't think we've added in asking for an admin ruling. We have in the past been staunchly against mid game rule changes... it's a dangerous precedent.

Edit:

Posted

This turn we received an offer from the Spanish to gift us their remaining gold and gpt. We find it a nice gesture of friendship, but from an in-game perspective we don't think it's appropriate for a dying civ to gift all their assets to their favorite rival. That could be very unbalancing in unfair and un-fun ways, so we declined the Spanish offer.

We hope other teams feel the same way about this and will act accordingly if the situation were to arise again.

Sincerely,
Ceiliazul for team Realms Beyond

[Ruff_Hi]

Ceiliazul got a reply on CFC ...

I don't see the point. You gift them elephant, it's normal they give you something back as a last thank.

Note: I'm not speaking in the name of my team.

Can we please squash the 'elephant gift' ... it was a trade that increased the happy cap for both teams. Yes, I know that we just wanted to get ivory in their hands for WEs ... but we cannot let assertions like that pass without correcting.

And - more predictably, other teams don't see any problem with taking gold from dying teams. We are isolating ourselves here for zero benefit. As I (and others) have said before, this approach has zero chance working. The approach that I have outlined (accept gold, divide by 8 and redistribute to all teams with the higher placed teams taking the rounding penalty if any) has a chance of working - I don't think that anyone has commented on it.

[Oxyphenbutazone]

I guess now we know who the Germans are going to gift all of their gold to

[Ruff_Hi]

caught WPC in-game ... (read from the bottom up)

I also have a picture showing their troop situation.

[Gold Ergo Sum]

Yeah, please point out that we had more theaters than markets. Not a gift.

[Zargon]

If we're to reply at all (and I still think a long discussion on the matter will hurt us rather than help), then I'd simply state that in our experience, resource trades don't have the same unbalancing effect. They're a way to prop up weaker teams, and they're inherently limited. Gold gifts propel the strong teams forward, and are unlimited. A weak team can easily kingmake the whole game with gold gifts, if they start before their last turn.

I certainly wouldn't bicker whether the ivory was a trade or a gift.

Then again, that might sound entirely self-serving. Perhaps we simply state that in our experience, resource trades can't unbalance a game like gold gifts can, and leave it at that.

[scooter]

Sent the message to CivFr.

[MWIN]

No need for any more replies (in CFC forum) on this gold gifting topic....