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Tasunke · February 29th, 2012, 12:42

I can't believe its already T134! smile

this game has a pretty good turn pace.

Mardoc · February 29th, 2012, 17:43

Tasunke Wrote:I can't believe its already T134!

I've been so focused on optimizing to this point, that I really haven't considered what comes next. But we have settled Sages and Engineers who won't stop researching, so we'd best pick a new tech.

My first thought is that it's time to finally pick up Horseback Riding lol

and then follow it up with Priesthood, then Ashen Veil. We've probably got all the direct military techs we'll ever need, so it's time for mobility and collateral. And I can't think of anything techwise that'll substantially help our economy, except perhaps the Bazaar of Mammon (aka Mathematics).

Seem reasonable to you, Thoth?

Mardoc · February 29th, 2012, 19:41

And, we're just hunkering down, waiting in the calm before the storm. Letting the barbs wash in over the borders, every unit in Pacman frantically building fortifications. Next turn we upgrade, and after that, we fight in the shade!

[Image: PBEM18%20T134.JPG]

Finally - that graphical glitch must have struck again:
[Image: PBEM18%20T134%20Serdoa.JPG]

The barbs, who I dearly want to be out slaughtering for XP, if we didn't need to be healing and fortifying instead.

[Image: PBEM18%20T134%20Us.JPG]

Mardoc · February 29th, 2012, 22:14

Also, if anyone's interested, I had a chat with Bob. Basically - he's only just barely to the point of south of Asteroids. I'm half-tempted to deny him the map trade, since he can't help us survive anyway, even though that's mostly spite. Also his land is awesome, ours is horrible, yadda yadda yadda.

Thoth · February 29th, 2012, 22:19

Mardoc Wrote:I've been so focused on optimizing to this point, that I really haven't considered what comes next. But we have settled Sages and Engineers who won't stop researching, so we'd best pick a new tech.

My first thought is that it's time to finally pick up Horseback Riding and then follow it up with Priesthood, then Ashen Veil. We've probably got all the direct military techs we'll ever need, so it's time for mobility and collateral. And I can't think of anything techwise that'll substantially help our economy, except perhaps the Bazaar of Mammon (aka Mathematics).

Seem reasonable to you, Thoth?

HBR next for sure. But I'd rather pick up AV before PHood to ensure we actually get it. Bob's not likely to go for it with his Elf economy well under way, but Bob will be Bob and he does have a rather strong fondness for AV. wink

Couple of random observations:

1) Upgraded units lose their fortification bonus (our high xp Beastmasters should still be the bomb though. wink

)

2) Any sign of OB and some Iron Champions from Bob? Or is the NAP not happening? IIRC, our co-operation was contingent on Bob actually helping us defend PacMan. (I haven't seen the full chat logs, so if the actual deal is different then let me know. But right now it looks like we don't have any deals with Bob)

Mardoc · March 1st, 2012, 17:43

Quote:HBR next for sure. But I'd rather pick up AV before PHood to ensure we actually get it. Bob's not likely to go for it with his Elf economy well under way, but Bob will be Bob and he does have a rather strong fondness for AV.

..point. The holy city isn't worth a lot, but it is worth something - and come to think of it, Rust could be quite handy when it comes time to fight the Elfs. That's probably enough reason to make sure we go there next, and to start running Sages/Priests again. Presumably we're about to lose our mines and mills anyway, so it won't be much of a loss.

Thoth Wrote:2) Any sign of OB and some Iron Champions from Bob? Or is the NAP not happening? IIRC, our co-operation was contingent on Bob actually helping us defend PacMan. (I haven't seen the full chat logs, so if the actual deal is different then let me know. But right now it looks like we don't have any deals with Bob)

A sign, yes. His stack is 1 S of the rice to the west of Asteroids. It'll arrive just in time to do not much of anything - although there's the possibility that Serdoa might hold back some troops in Asteroids, at least.

Granted, I'm not particularly happy with Bob as an ally, his wanting to use chat instead of e-mail means he doesn't ever clarify his vagueness - and he likes to be vague. Reading our chats, our alliance could be read several different ways, one of which is that it's just an agreement for Bob to declare on Serdoa now, which he seems to be doing. I don't think I will agree to anything by chat in the future, for this exact reason.

...but we're committed now. We're bound to be at war with Serdoa next turn, we need whatever Bob can provide, even if it's much less than we asked for. And frankly, we need that NAP. We're on the edge of being able to survive Serdoa's assault - we certainly can't handle Bob simultaneously.

Now...give us time for the acquisition of collateral, more build queues, and the werewolf population chain reaction to go critical, and that will change. So as ever, I buy time. We'll be friends with Bob for now, and we'll not be in any hurry to finish Serdoa and start our countdown on the Bob-NAP.

What's been actually specified? NAP to last from Serdoa's death +10 turns, Bob to get Cartography and us to give him our map, and both of us to attack Serdoa.

Mardoc · March 1st, 2012, 20:39

So...it's time.

First, the tech that will save us, if anything can:
[Image: PBEM18%20T135%20AM.JPG]

Our military might before the spending of money:
[Image: PBEM18%20T135%20pre-upgrade.JPG]

And after:

[Image: PBEM18%20T135%20Post-upgrade.JPG]

Quite the jump, from 340K to 493K! lol

Although I don't usually trust power numbers - this one actually seems to fit. It takes us from well below Serdoa's 580K to almost even smile

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Finally, a casting of Blur, to negate all Serdoa's first strikes:
[Image: PBEM18%20T135%20Blur.JPG]

The army brought against us:
[Image: PBEM18%20T135%20Foe.JPG]

And our stalwart defenders (less the 1 Ranger trained at EOT):
[Image: PBEM18%20T135%20Friend.JPG]

And, with nothing more we can do, I end turn. Either we receive the save back tomorrow, or it was all for nothing. Wish me luck!

Thoth · March 1st, 2012, 22:54

Mardoc Wrote:..point. The holy city isn't worth a lot, but it is worth something - and come to think of it, Rust could be quite handy when it comes time to fight the Elfs. That's probably enough reason to make sure we go there next, and to start running Sages/Priests again. Presumably we're about to lose our mines and mills anyway, so it won't be much of a loss.

Being the founder guarantees us access....spreading it to a city with an established religion is high odds but less than guaranteed.

Rust will be very handy....unless Bob manages Mithril Working. In any event, Ritualists provide some very good stack damage. wink

Quote:A sign, yes. His stack is 1 S of the rice to the west of Asteroids. It'll arrive just in time to do not much of anything - although there's the possibility that Serdoa might hold back some troops in Asteroids, at least.

Thanks for coming out Bob. thumbsup

Not.

Quote:Granted, I'm not particularly happy with Bob as an ally, his wanting to use chat instead of e-mail means he doesn't ever clarify his vagueness - and he likes to be vague. Reading our chats, our alliance could be read several different ways, one of which is that it's just an agreement for Bob to declare on Serdoa now, which he seems to be doing. I don't think I will agree to anything by chat in the future, for this exact reason.

I don't mind the chat for diplo thing....it's the not putting much effort into living up to what he's suggested in chat that bugs me.

Vague, waffling allies aren't worth much. frown

Quote:...but we're committed now. We're bound to be at war with Serdoa next turn, we need whatever Bob can provide, even if it's much less than we asked for. And frankly, we need that NAP. We're on the edge of being able to survive Serdoa's assault - we certainly can't handle Bob simultaneously.

If the only thing Bob has on our borders is 4 Champions and an Adept...he won't make much difference either way.

But if we're agreed to a mutual war vs Serdoa, then kicking Bob inna nuts will have to wait a bit. wink

Quote:Now...give us time for the acquisition of collateral, more build queues, and the werewolf population chain reaction to go critical, and that will change. So as ever, I buy time. We'll be friends with Bob for now, and we'll not be in any hurry to finish Serdoa and start our countdown on the Bob-NAP.

What's been actually specified? NAP to last from Serdoa's death +10 turns, Bob to get Cartography and us to give him our map, and both of us to attack Serdoa.

Yeah, we want the Baron on the board as soon as is feasable. Them barbs will provide a lot of Werewolves. smile

Mardoc Wrote:So...it's time.

And, with nothing more we can do, I end turn. Either we receive the save back tomorrow, or it was all for nothing. Wish me luck!

GOOD LUCK!

smile

Mardoc · March 1st, 2012, 23:11

Thoth Wrote:Yeah, we want the Baron on the board as soon as is feasable.

I suspect this will be *the* hot topic of debate in Sidar-land lol

When exactly is he feasible? If Serdoa had 30 horses rather than 50, I think he'd already be in the queue.

Werewolves have quite a good shot at going critical, too:

Code:
Unit:     Str:  Movement:   Odds of new Wolf:    Odds of upgrade:

Baron      11       3              75%            N/A

Ravenous   5        1              15%            100%

Blooded    8        2              30%            5%

Greater    11       3              45%            N/A

Basically - I suspect half the ravenous werewolves will die due to attacking on bad terrain, but once we have a cadre of Blooded werewolves and the Baron, we ought to be able to create at least one new Ravenous werewolf every turn. And go exponential with them, for a while jive

...err, assuming we survive next turn rolleye

. I hate that caveat cry

Thoth · March 1st, 2012, 23:17

Mardoc Wrote:I suspect this will be *the* hot topic of debate in Sidar-land When exactly is he feasible? If Serdoa had 30 horses rather than 50, I think he'd already be in the queue.

Werewolves have quite a good shot at going critical, too:
Code:
Unit: Str: Movement: Odds of new Wolf: Odds of upgrade: Baron 11 3 75% N/A Ravenous 5 1 15% 100% Blooded 8 2 30% 5% Greater 11 3 45% N/A

Basically - I suspect half the ravenous werewolves will die due to attacking on bad terrain, but once we have a cadre of Blooded werewolves and the Baron, we ought to be able to create at least one new Ravenous werewolf every turn. And go exponential with them, for a while

...err, assuming we survive next turn . I hate that caveat

If we don't survive then all this is academic. wink

If we do....it depends on how we survive.

Want Baron soonish, but also want Baron with free promo and extra 3 Priest GPP in PacMan (Altar vic is still looking like our "best" hope for a win)

If we get thumped on and survive, then more boots on the ground ASAP are the order of the day.

Otherwise, we should be able to take a few turns to get some shinies in play for the hope of an eventual win.

If we get thumped on and are dead,

well, at least we gave it a damned good try. smile

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