American Politics Discussion Thread

[BING_XI_LAO]

Concentration camps in Xinjang. Don't twist my words. Tibet certainly has suffered other repressions. While probably not rising to the level of genocide its certainly still extremely hypocritical in your signature.

Concentration camps are the logical cure for a population which has more than its fair share of ISIS sympathisers and recruits, including people going off to fight in Syria, and a couple of terrorist attacks within China.

What else are the Chinese supposed to do? I would expect that the harshest repressions have already been successful as of 2025, with a large proportion of the seditious Islamists successfully re-educated and restored to their proper function in society. In just a few more years the policy will be a complete success, maintaining and restoring social harmony, eradicating the Islamist and secessionist thoughts. Xinjiang's socio-economic development, which is currently very rapid, will have been preserved against Western attempts to attack the prosperity of Uyghurs by sanctioning them and hosting secessionist "East Turkestan" groups. If this problem had been allowed to develop, the West would also have used Uyghurs to commit sabotage attacks on the rail links leading to Russia.

It is a stark contrast to the Western inability to address Islamism appropriately, ranging from excessive tolerance at home, to bombing runs abroad, to ... I'll leave it to Charr babies to describe Israel.

Just to be clear: the "concentration camps" are the peaceful, constructive solution. Ethnic minorities are privileged in China except for being required to assimilate (ie language rights restriction). But there is definitely no racial animus on the part of the Chinese state. The Mongols and Tibetans only get into trouble when they reach towards a secessionist movement. And the Uyghurs got repressed because of that, PLUS the usual stereoptyical Islamic headchopper antics.

I hope the Chinese caught some actual ISIS fighters and made them work on toxic factory floors with no PPE until their lungs filled with froth and they died. The only genocide Uyghurs were involved in was their eradication of non-sunni groups in Syria.

[BING_XI_LAO]

Really though, what would YOU do with a population that's riddled with Islamists? I literally cannot think of a more peaceful outcome than the re-education camp policy.

[BING_XI_LAO]

I guess what's always implicit in the Uyghur Genocide narrative is that the Chinese are just doing it for fun, out of malice and so on. But that is cartoonish. There can certainly be abuses and innocents caught up in the process, but the policy has a pragmatic motive and means of resolution.

I just wish the Chinese had global ambitions, so that they could someday establish re-education camps in the West. I wouldn't mind being brainwashed as long as the liberals were subjected to it as well. In fact I don't really have any political opinions other than loving dictators, racism, and hating liberalism and the Enlightenment, so it would be quite a relief to be brainwashed into fully loyal service to the Chairman. Brainwashing sets the tone in every society, we're just unlucky that we don't get the Chinese version, which is far more beneficial for society.

Now I feel envious of the Uyghurs.

[darrelljs]

Really though, what would YOU do with a population that's riddled with Islamists?

I think you are conflating Islamist with Jihadist.  I lived in Malaysia for three years and was always made to feel safe and welcome.

I guess what's always implicit in the Uyghur Genocide narrative is that the Chinese are just doing it for fun

I don't think that's accurate.  I think everyone knows they are doing it to assimilate the Uyghurs.

I have no idea what I'd do in their situation, or Israel's.  I don't like what's happening to innocent Palestinians or innocent Uyghurs, but it's a difficult problem to address without casting a wide net.  I do think any criticism of China or Israel needs to come with concrete, practical alternatives to what they are currently doing (at least if the intent is to effect change).

Darrell

[BING_XI_LAO]

Really though, what would YOU do with a population that's riddled with Islamists?

I think you are conflating Islamist with Jihadist.  I lived in Malaysia for three years and was always made to feel safe and welcome.

Yes I suppose I am conflating them, possibly unfairly, though I don't want any group I'm sympathetic to to have to rely on the tolerance of Islamists either. It's semi-offtopic, but did you get much of a feel for Malaysia's racial politics? Does it really matter that they were welcoming to you if this was simply because you weren't in one of the relevant local political categories?

[Charr Babies]

I suspect that most white expats in countries without civil unrest, who primarily stick to their own circles and areas, would feel safe

[darrelljs]

There was not a lot of crossover...so when I hung out with my Chinese friends (which I have to admit was most of the time) there were rarely any Indians or Malay there, and so on.  There was palpable underlying tension, especially between the Chinese and the Malay.  Singapore was happy to leave and the Malay were happy to see them go over fear they would dominate.  The worst was being born poor and Indian, because you lacked the bumiputera state support of the Malay, nor could you access the powerful economic community of the Chinese.  I heard at one time or another from all three that the "other" women were promiscuous, which was amusing (and so far as I could tell untrue) .  The Malay had a separate legal system which was Sharia based, and you would see during Ramadan clandestine Indian restaurants that would feed those who struggled with the fasting.  Everyone looked the other way.  So lots of interesting interactions, but no real mixing...I can't recall a single interracial couple that didn't involved a European.  Being white there was weird and uncomfortable precisely because I got treated so well, even when traveling to remote parts of the country.  Actually especially when traveling to remote parts of the country.  It makes you wonder what the fuck the British did to have this still be ingrained three generations after independence.

Darrell

[chumchu]

There was not a lot of crossover...so when I hung out with my Chinese friends (which I have to admit was most of the time) there were rarely any Indians or Malay there, and so on.  There was palpable underlying tension, especially between the Chinese and the Malay.  Singapore was happy to leave and the Malay were happy to see them go over fear they would dominate.  The worst was being born poor and Indian, because you lacked the bumiputera state support of the Malay, nor could you access the powerful economic community of the Chinese.  I heard at one time or another from all three that the "other" women were promiscuous, which was amusing (and so far as I could tell untrue) .  The Malay had a separate legal system which was Sharia based, and you would see during Ramadan clandestine Indian restaurants that would feed those who struggled with the fasting.  Everyone looked the other way.  So lots of interesting interactions, but no real mixing...I can't recall a single interracial couple that didn't involved a European.  Being white there was weird and uncomfortable precisely because I got treated so well, even when traveling to remote parts of the country.  Actually especially when traveling to remote parts of the country.  It makes you wonder what the fuck the British did to have this still be ingrained three generations after independence.

Darrell

Sadly, what the British did there involved putting people in re-education camps, torturing them and extracting the country's natural resources. Caroline Elkins' book Legacy of Violence details it well and puts it in a broader context as they exported these techniques to other colonies and allied states like the US and dictatorships in the third world.

[Charr Babies]

Solid proof Ukraine started the war!



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[Mjmd]

See this is where the written word is unclear. I see that typed sentence as obvious sarcasm, but then again there are people who believe that.......