Diplomacy Master Thread- Helping Your Opponents Beat Themselves

[scooter]

My theory is that CFC and CivFr are actually negotiating right now, which is why CFC is taking forever to play the turn.

[spacetyrantxenu]

My theory is that CFC and CivFr are actually negotiating right now, which is why CFC is taking forever to play the turn.

That's what I think too. There's no reason they need a pause right now other than to stall for time with as long as this turn has been. Any game planning they could have possibly needed to do would be done by now. The server going offline is a convenient thing for them, given that the game rules allow a pause afterwards. They have to be using it to stall for time for diplomacy with CivFr.

Exploiting the game rules, to echo NH, that's the kind of stuff we hate CFC for.

[Zargon]

Right, CFC is pretty obviously stalling for more negotiation time. That doesn't mean we need to sneak in and get our NAP before they've finalized their deal with CivFr. CFC will just put us on hold until they've got their CivFr situation figured out, whether that's next turn or 10 turns from now, since they know they can have a NAP with us whenever they want.

Do note that CivPlayers is reasonably on board with the dogpile, since they rejected our 10 turn extension. I would be shocked if they didn't discuss that with CFC and get a reassurance from CFC that they wouldn't extend their NAP with us, leaving CivPlayers open to get picked off by us.

The goal isn't to get a NAP, it's to make them not attack, right? It seems pretty obvious that asking nicely isn't going to accomplish that. Our best shot at convincing CFC to not attack lies therefore in convincing them it's a bad idea. Why would it be a bad idea? Because we're 100% prepared for anything and everything they can throw at us. How do we convince them of that? We start by acting like it's true.

What would the Realms Beyond that can easily parry a turn 175 attack do? It would finish up it's war with the Germans cleanly and quickly. It might tech gunpowder after printing press, regardless of how nice banking would be. And it wouldn't ask for a NAP every 5 turns after being rebuffed the first time. All of our diplo with CFC (to everybody, really) should be written from the Realms Beyond that's utterly confident in it's ability to defend against any attack flawlessly. "Sure, we'll do you a favor and take your NAP because we'd rather not trade your hammers with ours at 5 to 1 while others pull further ahead." That's the image I want to project.

[scooter]

I made a brief attempt to fish a little more info out of CivPlayers.

scooter
Hey OT4E - this is scooter from RB

OT4E
hi

scooter
thanks for getting back with us on the proposal. no problem, I understand
we can always discuss it again soon as things change

OT4E
yes, thanks for understanding

scooter
Again, we're committed to locking down peace with your team if you are interested, so just let me know if you change your mind, or if there's something we can do to make it happen
do you mind if I ask why you aren't interested right now? I thought maybe you would be since CFC seems occupied with CivFr now

OT4E
well you can ask of course, but I cant share full scene with you. It is not relied to CFC that much.

I know that you will not be satisfied with my answer. But there is nothing I can tell you that will prevent you from thinking that we are just jacking up our price.

scooter
no it's fine, I understand if you can't give a clear answer. I'm just trying to understand your motivation for wanting the NAP to expire. I've been trying to figure it out on my own, so it's worth asking you

He promptly disappeared after that last message . Not very productive, but it was worth a shot.

[spacetyrantxenu]

Maybe they're tired of playing in this game and want us to kill them when the NAP ends?

[Mardoc]

Maybe they're tired of playing in this game and want us to kill them when the NAP ends?

Not everyone has it in them to play on tenaciously from sixth place .

[kalin]

I found Zargon's point compelling.
Kalin

[spacetyrantxenu]

Maybe they're tired of playing in this game and want us to kill them when the NAP ends?

Not everyone has it in them to play on tenaciously from sixth place .

Offtopic:

Heh...Scoopin may disagree with your sixth place assessment for now.

[antisocialmunky]

Can we ask CFC to clarify that NAP breaking clause just to mess with their heads?

[darrelljs]

Good game spanish Apolyton. Btw i dont want to be rude or anything but your game was strange. Picking a kinda wrong civ + not playing really well created a huge imbalance in the game i wouldnt have believe possible in a teamgame. Was there any intern problems or anything? or maybe you wasnt used to multiplayer games?

Well put .

Darrell