American Politics Discussion Thread

[Charr Babies]

I don't think its the right thing to do obviously. I'm glad we agree it isn't.

.... GARBAGE ....

 
There you go again. What agreement? I didn't say if it is the right or wrong thing to do. It is what we are doing!

Again, and again

Quote:
Additionally, acknowledging current events or recognizing potential outcomes does not necessarily imply my endorsement.

Why do I have to argue from the pigeon hole you want to put me in. So, let me say it's the wrong thing for Trump to do. Answer my question : Why do you think it is the right thing to do?

The big bold words is me mocking you, switch sides with you, putting words in your mouth, how you pigeonhole me to your narrative.

Yes, so answer me Why do you think it is the right thing to do?

The thing is, when something isn't clear/clarify, any reasonable person seeking honest conversations would ask for clarification. 

So Answer these questions

Why do you think it's the right thing to abandon our allies?

What is that EVERYTHING has China taken, and how?

[Charr Babies]

You could argue he is mainly slashing people who won't do what he wants them to do. That being said, ya that post went from something vaguely reasonable to conspiracy theory pretty fast. While I think Trump is capable of cracking down on protests I don't know if its likely / certainly not whatever that last paragraph was.

conspiracy theory as in
How you use a photo from Xinjiang to fake a Tibet concentration camp?
How you say China is taking everything but fail to provide an answer, despite my repeated requests for clarification over the last 10 pages

I know, you are going to argue these are not conspiracy theory but malicious fake news  

[Mjmd]

I don't think its the right thing to do obviously. I'm glad we agree it isn't.

.... GARBAGE ....

 
There you go again. What agreement? I didn't say if it is the right or wrong thing to do. It is what we are doing!

Again, and again

Quote:
Additionally, acknowledging current events or recognizing potential outcomes does not necessarily imply my endorsement.

Why do I have to argue from the pigeon hole you want to put me in. So, let me say it's the wrong thing for Trump to do. Answer my question : Why do you think it is the right thing to do?

The big bold words is me mocking you, switch sides with you, putting words in your mouth, how you pigeonhole me to your narrative.

Yes, so answer me Why do you think it is the right thing to do?

See again problem with the internet and written word. I didn't get that you were mocking me. I obviously don't think its the right thing to do. So again, its hasn't happened YET (although that is the direction), so I don't take it as a statement of "what is happening", which is why originally I thought you were taking that side. My apologies if you weren't. Do you think its the right thing to do? You seem to be not answering. No pigeon holing. Lets try getting a nice clear answer. Is it the right thing to do? Yes or no. If no, we agree (I swear this is allowed). If yes, present a focused argument.

[Mjmd]

You could argue he is mainly slashing people who won't do what he wants them to do. That being said, ya that post went from something vaguely reasonable to conspiracy theory pretty fast. While I think Trump is capable of cracking down on protests I don't know if its likely / certainly not whatever that last paragraph was.

conspiracy theory as in
How you use a photo from Xinjiang to fake a Tibet concentration camp?
How you say China is taking everything but fail to provide an answer, despite my repeated requests for clarification over the last 10 pages

Another time for quoting.

Explain what is that everything China has taken and how?
And no, not with a photo of a Xinjian concentration camp posted as a concentration camp in Tibet 
I wonder how many people caught on   
Got to love my signature "Free Tibet - Wherever The Fuck That Is"

Like one of the answers is in your signature and you acknowledged it yourself....... There are others, but why continue when you CLEARLY KNOW. The 9 dash line for future possible annexation isn't exactly a secret and their aggressive moves towards many of those points gets consistent news coverage. I don't consider it an honest question. Its clearly a distraction and not an honest question, so I haven't been taking the bait. 

So lets take a look at theories we have each proposed and see which is more likely.
- Mjmd - Chinese repression - evicence, multiple international reports and news articles / sites (sure western based), government leaked documents (sure they could be faked). CORROBORATING EVIDENCE - space pictures. History evidence - no one with mass concentration camps has ever been up to nothing. This makes the possible biased or faked sources more likely to be true.
-Charr - Biden forced Ukraine to stay at war. Evidence - there hasn't been peace.

Which of these two things is MORE LIKELY to be true. Have I been asking you every post for evidence. No. Its pointless. Why haven't I been answering you, well you acknowledged you knew at least one of the answers and were clearly trying to distract from the focus of the conversation.

[Charr Babies]

I don't think its the right thing to do obviously. I'm glad we agree it isn't.

.... GARBAGE ....

 
There you go again. What agreement? I didn't say if it is the right or wrong thing to do. It is what we are doing!

Again, and again

Quote:
Additionally, acknowledging current events or recognizing potential outcomes does not necessarily imply my endorsement.

Why do I have to argue from the pigeon hole you want to put me in. So, let me say it's the wrong thing for Trump to do. Answer my question : Why do you think it is the right thing to do?

The big bold words is me mocking you, switch sides with you, putting words in your mouth, how you pigeonhole me to your narrative.

Yes, so answer me Why do you think it is the right thing to do?

See again problem with the internet and written word. I didn't get that you were mocking me. I obviously don't think its the right thing to do. So again, its hasn't happened YET (although that is the direction), so I don't take it as a statement of "what is happening", which is why originally I thought you were taking that side. My apologies if you weren't. Do you think its the right thing to do? You seem to be not answering. No pigeon holing. Lets try getting a nice clear answer. Is it the right thing to do? Yes or no. If no, we agree (I swear this is allowed). If yes, present a focused argument.

Sorry I thought you'd be intelligent enough to figure that I was mocking you when it was so obvious. Again, since I  took no stance I have no obligation to answer whether its right or wrong. 

So now, I am asking you to clarify the question "Do you think its the right thing to do?" then I will choose to discuss it or not.

[Mjmd]

Sorry I thought you'd be intelligent enough to figure that I was mocking you when it was so obvious. Again, since I  took no stance I have no obligation to answer whether its right or wrong. 

So now, I am asking you to clarify the question "Do you think its the right thing to do?" then I will choose to discuss it or not.

So I'm stupid for not getting a written word mocking. What are you for not reading the multiple times I've said its not very clearly? I've said its not the right thing to do multiple times and made multiple arguments on it. Like one of the times is in the quote. This is why you don't do ad hominems btw (other than its bad argument). If you insult your opponent on something you've done worse it can come back to bite you. Its another reason to avoid them.

[Charr Babies]

Sorry I thought you'd be intelligent enough to figure that I was mocking you when it was so obvious. Again, since I  took no stance I have no obligation to answer whether its right or wrong. 
So now, I am asking you to clarify the question "Do you think its the right thing to do?" then I will choose to discuss it or not.

So I'm stupid for not getting a written word mocking. What are you for not reading the multiple times I've said its not very clearly? I've said its not the right thing to do multiple times and made multiple arguments on it. Like one of the times is in the quote. This is why you don't do ad hominems btw (other than its bad argument). If you insult your opponent on something you've done worse it can come back to bite you. Its another reason to avoid them.

Mjmd To Charr Babies #4720
I trust your intelligence to note I respond point by point. If this isn't the case I can start; please let me know.

All the words you have wasted typing you could have easily made your question clear.  Do you think its the right thing to do WHAT? Abandon, invade, rape, genocide or make peace with Russia?

[Mjmd]

The conversation started ON RUSSIA AND UKRAINE. I've argued multiple times to NOT abandon our allies and commitments. I've said this numerous times. I want some input from literally anyone else. Have I not been clear on this? Like if I truly haven't gotten this across I want to know. You may disagree with me, but I feel like I've argued this extensively (on multiple occasions), so if people other than Charr haven't been getting this I want to know.

[darrelljs]

I was really hoping to get Charr Babies take on Nicolae's post .

Darrell

[Charr Babies]

The conversation started ON RUSSIA AND UKRAINE. I've argued multiple times to NOT abandon our allies and commitments. I've said this numerous times. I want some input from literally anyone else. Have I not been clear on this? Like if I truly haven't gotten this across I want to know. You may disagree with me, but I feel like I've argued this extensively (on multiple occasions), so if people other than Charr haven't been getting this I want to know.

Simple
"Abandon our allies and commitments" is not good 
But that's is a habit of ours. That is what we do. Even Kissinger said "It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." 

Who said anything about abandoning but you? 
You just said in your last post "So again, its hasn't happened YET" But you want to pigeonhole me to defend abandon.

IT NEVER STOPS.

As for "being more neutral and cooperative with Russia and China" HELL YES!!! that's the right thing to do