[SPOILERS]A new adventure of Vanrober always guided by chumchu

[Charriu]

You have to admit that Ruff has the most consistent city naming scheme

[vanrober]

You have to admit that Ruff has the most consistent city naming scheme

Not only consistent. Its also original!. I do belive this is the first time this happens!

[chumchu]

In this situation i would go Combat for sure. We want to take the city next turn. It is close enough so we should keep it. Another harbour on that coast Will be Good to take His Island.

[vanrober]

Ohw im tarded, i forgot to talk about currency. We are researching at 85bpt and wasting 70gpt at 100%. But i expect to lose some more when making 2 cities and capturing some. Also the libraries will bust our bpt.

Currency is 600beakers almost, maths 400 (but 2 people knows them already) so i guess we would need around 900gold and will be made in 8 or 9 turns i think.

[chumchu]

Took a look in. Happy situation looking better than I thought. There is fur in Ruff's third city as well which mean a) we really want it and b) we can sustain more whips if we get it =)

Only slight concern is lemon but that can be solved by settling the deer city or working specialists.

About micro:
- Lemon should work its deer over the mine. Look to triple whip the library.
- Blueberry should work hamlet 2 west instead of forest.
- Then figs can work another hamlet 2 north of it that nobody is working.
- Figs should swap the cow for one of the deer with lingon to grow onto cottages faster. It can grow 2 pop more before hitting the limit.

About currency :
https://www.civfanatics.com/civ4/strateg...explained/
We will get 20% more research for having a pre-req and 5% for known tech. + 25% for libraries. As they are multiplicative that means a multiplier of roughly 58%. The inverse of that (1/1,58) is roughly 63% of the cost for the techs. (If 9 peoples have math that drops to 54%)

The techs cost 980 so we should need around 620 raw beakers. That is still a lot as we are getting 85 and paying 70 gold per turn while having 250 saved. If we can get raw beaker to 103 then we need 6 turns of research which will cost us 420 gold. I think our commerce and our costs will be higher by the time we turn on the slider. Hopefully more people will know the techs by the time we start research, then we can get it for like 570 raw beakers. That should be doable in 4-5 turns once more cities are in play and our current cities have grown back to the happy cap.

Conclusion: I think we should do all we can to get libraries, grow our cities back onto commerce tiles and scientists, save up gold. Once we get to around 400 and we have the libraries we can start teching.

[vanrober]

Took a look in. Happy situation looking better than I thought. There is fur in Ruff's third city as well which mean a) we really want it and b) we can sustain more whips if we get it =)

Only slight concern is lemon but that can be solved by settling the deer city or working specialists.

About micro:
- Lemon should work its deer over the mine. Look to triple whip the library.
- Blueberry should work hamlet 2 west instead of forest.
- Then figs can work another hamlet 2 north of it that nobody is working.
- Figs should swap the cow for one of the deer with lingon to grow onto cottages faster. It can grow 2 pop more before hitting the limit.

About currency :
https://www.civfanatics.com/civ4/strateg...explained/
We will get 20% more research for having a pre-req and 5% for known tech. + 25% for libraries. As they are multiplicative that means a multiplier of roughly 58%. The inverse of that (1/1,58) is roughly 63% of the cost for the techs. (If 9 peoples have math that drops to 54%)

The techs cost 980 so we should need around 620 raw beakers. That is still a lot as we are getting 85 and paying 70 gold per turn while having 250 saved. If we can get raw beaker to 103 then we need 6 turns of research which will cost us 420 gold. I think our commerce and our costs will be higher by the time we turn on the slider. Hopefully more people will know the techs by the time we start research, then we can get it for like 570 raw beakers. That should be doable in 4-5 turns once more cities are in play and our current cities have grown back to the happy cap.

Conclusion: I think we should do all we can to get libraries, grow our cities back onto commerce tiles and scientists, save up gold. Once we get to around 400 and we have the libraries we can start teching.

I was trying to max gold, since the mine of lemon has 1 gold i thought that was preferable.

On blueberry the thoughts were that 1hammer will give us more failgold than the cottage, but maybe im wrong in this. Also that hammer might be the difference between getting or not the mids. It has been a lot of wars on this game, there should be a chance to get it. Maybe im a bit unrealistical in this. Mids on turn 110 seems a bit too late.

As i planed Figs, i want a full double whip into a lighthouse, so those 3 hamers seemed really usefull, now we are getting 5 hamers and growing, next turn was making some hammers to put 59hammers on the building to double whip again. Then full food until we get full of cottages. So i thought that if i work some hammers i will double whip faster and recover faster, maybe is better to grow faster and whip a bit later?

Thanks for the link i totally forgot to make the count of prereq and i wasnt sure how were those. 

I said the fur as one of the reasons to get that city, or at least i meant to say that xD. I am jsut a bit worried of pissing Amica and make him allie with mjmd to split us up.

Diplo:
I thought to give say to mjmd something like: mjmd: war lazteuq war noble<> us: copper. And then give him copper for free in another diplo. But im not sure he would understand that i want him to hive copper to lazteuq so he doesnt die to noble.

What do you think?

[chumchu]

I think it is better to grown and then work more tiles.

1 hammers double to 2 production with stone which means 2 failgold which is worse than a cottage.

Okay then. I do not think a lighthouse in Figs is that important. Gooseberry should probably work the clams to grow faster so that it can whip faster to finish Moai faster. Cottages are better than coast for Figs anyway. We will want it eventually but I would not grow slower in figs just to get the lighthouse faster.

I do not know how he would react but as he has done nothing yet in this war he should not expect much. He can take out Ruff's easternmost city. that is way too far for us and in his sphere more clearly. It is hard to communicate that to him though. Maybe send him War with Ruff + Corn ?

I'm not sure that message would be understood but it is worth a shot.

[vanrober]

Okey i see your point.

Ruff played already so i guess i cannot change those tiles now, right? Eventhough its not going to affect our war.

And the last sentence was agreeing on the diplo to mjnd or you were adding that to your proposal to diplo to amica?

[chumchu]

Too late yes.

The last sentence was referring to sending a message to mjmd.

[vanrober]

I ve been thinking on the needed copper for Lazteuq, and the problem is that noble will declare to everyone that conects lazteuq throught him so the plan has to be that copper should be given by someone that is on the other part of the ring, and i doubt mjmd has contact with lazteuq in that part. So maybe asking to jowy or civac that we now they are from there. 

The scouts appeared in the next order:
-Mjmd>civac>cairo>jowy>gira. But we know cairo is right in our south so, i would guess that the exterior ring is formed by mjmd, civac and jowy and the inner ring is made by Cairo and gira. There has been war between civac and jowy. So if jowy were in the inner circle it would be something like mjmd atacking amica so it doesnt sound like possible. If there is 6 people in the outer circle then lazteuq is also in the outer ring.

   

So it would be something like this if im right. So maybe asking to jowy or civac has more sense than to mjmd. I would ask gira but it seems that we are fighting our neigbours so i guess he is not happy with lazteuq, but maybe i could try too.

qe: Im not really good with proportions xD