[SPOILERS]A new adventure of Vanrober always guided by chumchu

[chumchu]

Raspberry is better for GLH if we can get the chops in, you are right. It is in a more exposed position so we will have to garrison it more if we get it.

We want more workers now that chops are needed everywhere. I sound like a broken record here but it is important. We should aim to have at least 12, preferably 14, workers. How many do we have now? I would build workers in lingonberry. That has to be higher priority than monument. I think you are overestimating culture here. Having the second ring does not stop him from attacking us on the diagonal. For that we need third ring and I do not think that is worth it now. Better to have more units behind walls. Lingonberry has nothing else important and good hammers so it should not take to long. Grapes is also a good a candidate after its library.

As you are starting chop then getting math would be good. I would turn on the research next turn. The library in Figs is complete and many people have gotten math these few turns.

[vanrober]

Raspberry is better for GLH if we can get the chops in, you are right. It is in a more exposed position so we will have to garrison it more if we get it.

We want more workers now that chops are needed everywhere. I sound like a broken record here but it is important. We should aim to have at least 12, preferably 14, workers. How many do we have now? I would build workers in lingonberry. That has to be higher priority than monument. I think you are overestimating culture here. Having the second ring does not stop him from attacking us on the diagonal. For that we need third ring and I do not think that is worth it now. Better to have more units behind walls.  Lingonberry has nothing else important and good hammers so it should not take to long. Grapes is also a good a candidate after its library.

As you are starting chop then getting math would be good. I would turn on the research next turn. The library in Figs is complete and many people have gotten math these few turns.

Yeah maybe im wrong with culture, but right now its giving us vision of his cities and several tiles he would need to make a stack. I thought that giving him the vision of what we have in lingon would be too much, since we just have an archer there. Thats why im evaluating this high the culture. But im probably wrong.
We have 8 workers, thats why i feel we are a bit behind of them, the need offgrowing all the cities and being unable to if making workers has made me not to make them. But i should have done somehow. If the mids go away soon blueberry would be a really good spot to make them. I dont think change worker for mids would be worth.

I thought about the safety of tglh on raspberry too and i thinks is save until mjmd gets construction. Its on hill and with wall and all the archer get hill defense because of the dun... He would need double numbers of praets than ourr archers having them cheaper and closer. If we manage to get to 100 culture it would be even harder.

Iwanted to start on maths this turn because it would mean 2 forest choped with bonnus. I thought that was better than having the library 1 turn. But again i might be wrong but i cant change it since ruff already played

[chumchu]

Starting maths a turn early is ok.

Once we get a garrison raspberry should be decently safe.

Workers should definitely be a priority. If you get Lingonberry to pop five and max hammers it can pump out workers in 3-4 turns.

[vanrober]

How many units should we have in the front of mjmd to feel safe?

Lingon is not working any food tile since im trying our capitol to grow now.

I thought to ask for peace to ruff we get 10 turns to make the galleys and get things going although i think he wouldnt take it.

Maybe war peace mjmd?

[vanrober]

Turn 94

Before nothing im not making much report today, im pretty busy.

Mjmd whiped so much pop out so he is making an army, im not sure if it will be us or Cairo the victim. But i feel we need to defend just in case. Im prebuilding an axe in Figs since it has the GG settled, then ill prebuild an archer, and in case we see things i pop them out fast. Next turn will whip the library of pomegranate and OF into an archer, whip lighthouse on raspberry and gooseberry, first OF into TGLH and second OF into Moai. Since gooseberry has not much production i thought to whip a dun there to make some more OF into moai, with the pro bonus plus stone is going to get to 19h/50 fast.
I moved the workers towards raspberry, but its getting long, then i thought to move one of those to lingon to chop the forest 1N that would be great on defense of the stack of mjmd in case he atacks, and chop some workers out. Maybe units if we feel threat.
I asked fish for fish to mjmd, trying to know his pretensions. But even if he asks back i would feel threated, i dont trust him at all. Also he has almost all workers we see choping, i guess he is choping units. I thought he had not maths yet, but it might be on the way and thats why he is start choping i guess.

Finally got Noble's graph, he is killing this game. huge gnp, huge prod, huge food, he is just not that good on military, but it seems he doesnt need because Laz might be worse without copper for so long.

Our demos doesnt look that bad though, but if we are receibing an atack making 3 wonders and working just cottages might not be the best idea.

       

Also amica declared peace with ruff and spreaded hindu to his city, so he is taking the fur 1 turn faster than us. I guess the galley is better than a monument whip right? The fur is not even done so we would also need workers there on the fur.

   


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[vanrober]

turn 95

Several things happend this turn. I didnt end it until i get your thoughts about.

Mjmd apeared with praets in all the cities we have vision of. And i guess he will whip more this turn too. I whiped all the buildings i had planned to whip, i hope that he thinks we are trying to make some defence. We dont know if he agrees on fish fish yet since he didnt log in yet.

           

The thing we are sure about is that he is making an army, who is goign to be hitted.... im not sure if cairo or us. So should i stop making the great lighthouse and the great wall and try to make a bunch of archers and axes? Or should we wait a bit more to go full defence?

Also Someone took the mids, right the turn after i chop a forest getting so much hammers on it, so we are getting around 220gold for that, the thing is, should i change that building this turn into a 3 whip library? or shoudl i make some workers? or should i start defending?

   

Ruff afetr some turns of now knowing whether to put his galley on our clams or not, he put it last turn, i borrowed the corn from arbutus, and arbutus borrowed the corn of Grapes. Im doubting if we should put Quince on full mines to 1whip the galley asap, and then grow it. He ahs 1 hammer on that city so i expect to be 1 or at most 2 archers there, so as fast as we can move 2 HA the better right?

Some pics i forgot to take on the turn before.

       

demos and graphs

       

Also, i thought to move the slider into 50% to save some more gold, thats better than OF beakers right?

[chumchu]

Questions
1)How many turns of enforced peace do we have left with mjmd? That determines the urgency.

2) What is your feeling, Is mjmd targeting you or Cairo? Where is he spending espionage? Where is he roading?

These determines what needs to be done.

Suggested actions
1) Army: I would definitely shift over all horse archers to that front. We can not take Ruffs last city until we get navy anyway. We need a few galleys to defend our fish and to ferry things over. They can get back in time for that. City raider axes can stay unless you think mjmd might be targetitng you. If that is the case then you should only leave enough defensive units to stop ruff from a re-conquest. An axe and a spear/archer in each city should do.

2) Defensive units: In flatland cities axes are far superior to archers versus praetorians. On hills axes are slightly better but also more expensive. If you make defensive units then build axes. Especially shock axes in the great general city. If you are not fully sure of mjmd I would have at least 3 units in lemon, lingon and raspberry. We need at least one axe in the flatland city, preferably 2. They should deter him if he is undecided. The axe from pomegranate can go to defend lingonberry. Do you have an axe for raspberry in figs?

3) Tech. If we are getting 200 failgold from pyramids we should go full on science to get currency as fast as possible.

4) Builds: Great wall is lower priority. Getting an axe out in lemon helps defense more. I would like to try GLH but if you are not sure than units are better than wonders.

[vanrober]

Thanks chumchu, its true i did a bad reporting and asked so much without giving that much info.

I have 1 axe resting in pome with 1 warrior. 2 archers on lemon plus a warrior. 1archer on raspberry. I just prebuilding an axe on figs, and now i was prebuilding axe since i cant prebuild everything, and like that i can slow some time the expenses. that way we slow the power graph that would be a good way to make mjmd go for Cairo, making him believe our land is going to be hard.

But im bringing 4 or 5 axes more to defense from the ruff front, it needs 3 turns to get into pomegranate though. Also 2 HA so we left 4 HA and 2 CR axes and 2 spears on the ruff front. If we go full mines on Quince we can whip in 3 turns the galley and then bait Ruff to atack it so we got decent odds on win, if we win that fight we can kill ruf easy if we lose that galley then the other one might need to come fast. Not sure if its worth the risk though.

I didnt see him roading nor moving troops so im not sure what is his plan. Thats why i am scared. I didnt check this turn, i think we have 4 or 3 turns of enforced peace. I know he cannot declare in that turn since he would only have in range like 5 praets and thats easyly stopable. So if he is atacking he will do so with much more units. And he has to bring them to our front which also takes time. I would spect war in 6-7 turns as sooner.

I think ill try tglh but will stop the great wall to make some axes. Also i ll try to make some units on grapes and make workers on blueberry. In case of need with those workers we could also chop several units with the forest we have left between lemon and Grapes.

[vanrober]

Finally decided to end the axe on the capitol so we can start new axes just in case, right now is working so much cottages so its really low on production so as fast as we get them going the better. Lingon is making axes too, and so is doing Lemon. I want to try that GLH so lets make units in the rest of the cities, next turn we will see how much power he has and if we need to whip more our empire or not. I wouldnt like though.

Moved some more HA to the mjmd border. The good part of having culture advantage is that he cant know if we are defending and with how much. The bad part is that he is not going to se that we are doing so and he might want to kill us.

I dont think we can achieve currency with the gold we have now it will be something like 150+220 so 370g losing 90 per turn is 4 turns full steam thats 450 beakers at most, we need some more gold. getting the last city of ruff destroyed would give us some more, so hopefully doing that soon.

Civac got the mids, i looked into the wonders 5 cities screen. Hopefully that makes mjmd civac more tasty? civac has a decent power though so im not sure if he could try.

[vanrober]

Ruff didtn play yet so i went in to see if all the micro was good or not also thought a bit about the possible war.

Mjmd didnt confirm the fish fish and asked for OB. Im not sure whether thats a good idea, if we give him he will be able to se our little strenght and hit us in the place we have less defended, which is something i dont want him to, i prefere him going blind. Its true that way we will both be blind but the culture we have might give us better vision than what he has.

He didnt whip this turn.