WW17 - A Game of Thrones

[Mardoc]

No comments to any actions happening during that day.

What actions? Actions happen at night.

All that happened during the day was zak making a case on TT that convinced everyone but me. Which is, sadly, in character for me as a villager.

[Mardoc]

All that happened during the day was zak making a case on TT that convinced everyone but me. Which is, sadly, in character for me as a villager.

Phrased that badly. What I mean is, TT's guilt seemed obvious to everyone else, and merely moderately likely to me. Likely enough that it was worth watching to see if anyone tried to save him.

Oh, I don't know, it made sense to me at the time, but looking back on it, I feel idiotic.

[Rowain]

There was also Lewwyn making first a case vs me and Jkaen making a case vs zakalwe which Lewwyn later joined. In fact roughly 140 posts between your vote-post and you comment about our attention-span here.

Man, RB voters have the attention span of a 3-year-old on a sugar high. Did Coco post anything at all? Did anyone post a defense? Nope! Yet somehow he's now regarded as innocent. Innocent enough that Rowain is using that as an argument! Why? Because Coco was voted at the start of the day, instead of at the end, and people get antsy about letting a vote ride.

Consider: he's very busy at work...therefore you'd expect him to show up, if at all, on the weekend. Instead he's had participation early and not on the weekend. His posts just feel like a newb wolf, too. But you're going to ignore all that, and let him lurk until Friday, when he'll return and vote and not get modkilled.

I guess I'll have to reread the cases on TT and zakalwe, if there's no chance of lynching Coco. It seems unlikely that they're both scum, at least, so picking the right one is important. My gut is saying that both are villagers, and we've got a circular firing squad going on, but maybe there's something to one of the cases. Will try to find time for that in between working this afternoon.

[pindicator]

Mardoc- jyst cause you got one wrong doesnt mean you should stop commenting at all on people. How do you see things now?

Also, your turn to mix things up I was the one that put the case out on TT, although zak put his name out there before i did

[pindicator]

Rowain-
Good find. I remembered thinking that was an odd pist but had forgotten it was mardoc who made it.
Although im not sure ppl thought he was innocent, and if he shows up again he is going to have to work hard to show how loyal he is.

[Mardoc]

There was also Lewwyn making first a case vs me and Jkaen making a case vs zakalwe which Lewwyn later joined. In fact roughly 140 posts between your vote-post and you comment about our attention-span here.

Sure, there was noise, but it didn't seem to mean anything. Just people casting around for other suspects when they got bored with Coco.

Mardoc- jyst cause you got one wrong doesnt mean you should stop commenting at all on people. How do you see things now?

One wrong? ONE? I don't think I've gotten a call right in my whole history of WW...all the way back to WW3. There's a reason it takes me so long to psych myself up to play again.

Well, on meta, I would guess two more traitors. 19 would be on the verge of 4-5, a SK would seem to justify 4. Could arguably be 3 total, only one missing. Certainly no more than two more.

Let's see if I can find them by elimination:

Innocent:
Zakalwe - he doesn't play a wolf well. This isn't his wolf game. And TT likely wouldn't have died without his efforts.
Pindicator - Right on TT, right on Zak, and the tone/logic of your posts feels right.

Innocentish:
Tasunke - feel, plus correct vote on TT
Coco - he feels like a lurker scum to me. But...surely if Coco were scum, TT would have piled on zakalwe instead?
Sareln - got the call right on TT. Hard to say, though, he's quiet as usual.
Jkaen - right on TT, tone feels right.

No read
Qgqqqq - He's been here. I don't really have an opinion beyond that .

Guiltyish:

Rowain - head to head with Lewwyn, but not really getting steamed like usual. Votes have ended up on thestick (alone), Coco (who I know think is innocent), and TT (or Bigger, maybe)
Lewwyn (aka Loki) - I liked his first day declaring thestick innocent. He was wrong! And was awful quick about declaring thestick innocent, too, didn't push all that hard. Not a lot since, except for his crusades against Rowain and zakalwe. Coming down on the side of voting against zak makes me nervous.
Azza - he's got a mix of good and bad posts, and not many of them. I still REALLY don't like his post where he accused my ability of being a third party, or anyway 'not town', without making a case on me. And his random suspicions thrown on people felt off, too. He also voted for Tasunke day 1, , not involved in the leading candidates at all, which is a popular place for scum to be day 1. But he did vote for TT. I dunno - I think he's my top candidate thinking independently, but no one else seems to agree.

I guess that's where it stands. I'd be happy to vote for any of Lewwyn, Azza, or Rowain if I had to pick myself. There is no chance that I vote for zak, Pindicator, or Tasunke, unless I see a really good case - and it'd have to be agreed with by the other two. Coco/Q/Sareln/Jkaen are probably safe from me, but I could be convinced.

I'm starting to think I shouldn't trust my own judgment, though, and instead pull a Catwalk and give my vote to someone better at this.

Also, your turn to mix things up I was the one that put the case out on TT, although zak put his name out there before i did

Huh. I could have sworn that was zak's baby. My apologies for stealing your credit. Not that I can go back and search for it without rereading the whole day...this lack of sort by poster is annoying.

[pindicator]

I could see Tasunke as another survivor/3rd party. Some of his posts have seemed like veiled hints at his character, although if they are the way he's dropped the potential hints is in such a playful and carefree manner that i don't see him in the Serdoa/TT faction.

I dont know that Lewwyn would know that thestick was the SK if he was scum. Thestick arguably didnt know the scum identities: why kill Serdoa if he can't night kill you? Seems odd to give the scum that knowledge in a game with so many factions, although story wise it may fit. Dunno, thats a bit too meta for me.

Azza i have a bad feeling about. That post i quoted almost seems too accurate in hindsight- and we havent seen the same energy or posting out of him since scum started dropping. But back to that post- note how he has gotten the one-in-this-group part right but picks the wrong target. Well, that assumes rowain is innocent
Azza, still having enjoying the hunt and having fun?

[Mardoc]

I could see Tasunke as another survivor/3rd party. Some of his posts have seemed like veiled hints at his character, although if they are the way he's dropped the potential hints is in such a playful and carefree manner that i don't see him in the Serdoa/TT faction.

I guess. This seems like already a very complicated setup, though - loyalists, traitors, Survivor, and SK is a lot for 19 players. Although I suppose if any setting can support extra complexity, it's Game of Thrones.

I dont know that Lewwyn would know that thestick was the SK if he was scum. Thestick arguably didnt know the scum identities: why kill Serdoa if he can't night kill you? Seems odd to give the scum that knowledge in a game with so many factions, although story wise it may fit. Dunno, thats a bit too meta for me.

I agree, not likely they knew each other. Although an SK does need to kill scum before they have a majority of the votes.

I suppose there's really no definitive conclusion from Lewwyn hurrying to declare thestick innocent. It could be 'villager Lewwyn would do this, let's do this'. But it could also be straight up villager Lewwyn would do this. I seem to recall Lewwyn declaring me innocent in the last one I played on scanty evidence, too, although he was right that time.

I still don't like the attack on zakalwe, though.

Azza i have a bad feeling about. That post i quoted almost seems too accurate in hindsight- and we havent seen the same energy or posting out of him since scum started dropping. But back to that post- note how he has gotten the one-in-this-group part right but picks the wrong target. Well, that assumes rowain is innocent
Azza, still having enjoying the hunt and having fun?

Huh, really? I thought I was alone in suspecting him.

[pindicator]

Oops, Azza grouped rowain & brick, not rowain & tt. He grouped tt with me.

[zakalwe]

Coco - he feels like a lurker scum to me. But...surely if Coco were scum, TT would have piled on zakalwe instead?

It's weird either way that TT didn't switch to me. I'm thinking Coco could be scum after all, and TT was trying to give him cover. At any rate, it can't be ruled out. Obviously we shouldn't lynch him if he's about to be modkilled, but if he shows up and casts a vote, I would be prepared to lynch him.

Jkaen - right on TT, tone feels right.

Right on TT?