Either you're willingly misreading my words, or you're doing it subconsciously. Where am I absolutely insisting on the fact that there isn't an SK? I'm seriously baffled as to why you're putting so many damn words in my mouth.
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(June 2nd, 2014, 17:15)Qgqqqqq Wrote: C/H - Most plausible. Catwalk has after all been pushing Zakalwe all day, Hasoosh for some reason jumped to the assumption of Catwalks innocence in one of his meta posts and in general the two have avoided one another. Their Day 2 spat is also a little odd, especially given post 296 where Catwalk says he only has a slight scum read on Hasoosh despite voting him for ages. The Goreripper push is also very fishy, given it happens so late in the day, C/H expressed it only as a slight suspicion and in general seemed quite open to jumping. Read up, don't have much time and I want to clarify this. I'm not saying there that I have a slight scum read on Hashoosh, that post is a response to zakalwe.
So I was going to just quote reams of shit like I did last night for Hash, but I realized that would be very messy, and my notes as I was going through Matt’s posts showed a pretty good trend that is easier to see this way. All post numbers are included in my summary, if you wish to check back on them, or refute them in some way.
---------------------------------------- P 66. Matt starts out with some nice meta analysis. Attacks Gore and Cat. P 71. Attacks Gore some more, calls him out on his “weak” arguments. Votes Gore. P 127. Attacks gore some more, then attacks brick for his “misrepresenting” of Matt’s case on gore. Does his best to confuse gore, and anyone else reading the post. Changes vote to Ryan. P 130. Claims he is replaying ME2, which anyone who has finished Me3 knows is not a torture you would willfully subject yourself to. P 146. Justifies this behavior by claiming he hasn’t played Me3. This makes him either very smart, very lucky, or a good liar. More research needed on this. P 229. More meta. P 231. Comments on the Az/Rowain debacle. P 234. Votes Gore based on D1. P 237. More meta… P 248. Bot supports, and shy’s away from a reveal, in the same post. Kind of impressive really. Letting the scum know who the 1sv was would help them, as I was no longer a direct threat, and thus they could ignore me. Largely the reason I didn’t claim at that point. P 279. Calls out a weak argument for Gore trying to get Matt’s vote to move. P 286. Calls out Qg for some possibly shady voting on Azarius. More meta analysis. P 289. Complaining about time. (Suck it up :P ) asks for feedback from cat about me and hash. P 300. Surprise surprise, more meta. P 301. And more. P 302. And more. P 328. Misses where Az and I said we wouldn’t be there. P 361. More meta. P 364. Bad jokes. Discusses claims possibly useful in supported of Qg P 405. More meta. Uses said meta to call Catwalk full of shit. Calls on him to clarify role. P 409. More meta, this time correcting someone’s “misconceptions” about how it works. Votes Catwalk. P 411. More meta. Notes he “missed” the scans from Cat. Unvotes P 415. Meta P 416. Notes Hash’s edit. P 417. Notes the roles claimed and suspected. Calls for full reveal. P 424. More meta. Calls me suspicious for revealing, even though he asked me to, and I no longer put anyone at risk, because all roles are now basically known. P 504. Notes he’s “awesome because he has played a lot of C9++ games. Emphasis mine, not sure it’s deserved. More meta. You aren’t surprised by that right? Still unvotes, says he doesn’t trust hash. P 507. Argues with hash about meta. P 508. Says hash is consistently making the claim that both he (matt) and zak are dirty. P 510. Meta. Lots and lots of meta. Votes Hashoosh. So clearly, Matt is insanely engaged with the meta analysis. Whether or not this is just his particular area of focus in most games, or if it is being used as a screen to avoid discussing anything of substance, I am not sure. While he does make meta posts fairly often that forward arguments, a lot of it is just pointing out the way things should theoretically stand. I suppose that’s a contribution of a sort, I’m just not sure his time couldn’t be spent in better places. I do find it somewhat telling that he was on Goreripper up until he died. Again, I think less meta analysis and more textual analysis of Gore's behavior could have been more beneficial in getting votes, in and of itself it certainly isn't damning. While alll of this has the potential to be suspicious, it’s not enough to sway me off Hash. In Hash’s defense, I still need to reread through my tired arguments from last night and see if they make any sense. As I said before, I’m still willing to follow Qg’s lead, if he provides good arguments.
re: meta
This gametype has semi-unknown roles, and definitive methods to work them out. That's possibly more fun than actually winning the game itself  there may have been previous C9++ games that I've actually lost as scum when I've pointed out (correct) full roll details that rely on there being, say, 3T or 4T, when the only publicly known info about scum is that a single goon has been killed... -- Don’t forget.
Always, somewhere, someone is fighting for you. -- As long as you remember her, you are not alone.
I keep re-reading this and battling it out in my mind but I can't help but agree with you, Matt, that Hashoosh is by far the most likely to be scum.
Brief breakdown of my reads as I really have spent too much time on this game today. Hashoosh: top. Has posted very little initially, especially low in actual content - slightly suprising given his claims at reasonably wide mafia knowledge - and ignored Gore during the D1 push, then voting him D2 in a relatively suspicious way, pressuring him to within two votes of hanging but also being very ready to jump off and then sticking around so that would be readily possible. Has been posting a lot more recently, especially meta which might be easier for someone new to scumming to fool around with. Meta has been oddly angled and often seemed pushing premises like town Catwalk and scum Zakalwe. Kept on avoiding admitting me as certain town, and combos best with other people. Method of his claim slightly scummy. Catwalk: So many mixed messages here. I keep reading him one way then seeing evidence for another. Towny claim, then scummy/convenient scans. Keeps pushing Zakalwe with a vengeance, which I find scummy but then had massive confusion about basic concepts which could be clarified in a scum thread. IDK? Scum lean trending towards null for now. Mattimeo: Just feels towny, and his consistent pushing of Gore probably warrants a town lean as well. Been quiet overall, except with meta, but really, that's his thing anyway. Zakalwe: Felt strongly town all game. One of the few to look beyond the meta of today and start looking at the earlier days and interactions (if less then I hoped). In general, just hasn't felt like a scum and has done and said pretty well all the things I would expect from him.
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(June 2nd, 2014, 20:40)Hashoosh Wrote: Now, Zak is attacking me for voting against Goreripper, and seems to be digging up day 1 non-sense. Honestly, there's nothing to first day but conjecture. I was nervous, so I voted for the only other silent guy in the game. Zak, meanwhile, fanned the flames that led to Jabbz, as he claims, shooting Rowain and Azarius being hanged on Day 2. You didn't seem nervous in your first post. Nor in any of the following posts, really. You must be meaning to say that Jabbz shot Novice. How I am to be blamed for that is beyond me. I also dispute that I have been fanning flames in this game, in any context. Hashoosh
If you know what I mean.
Jabbz, I guess I should comment on your review of Mattimeo, since you wanted feedback on it. There's just not a lot to comment on, though, since it's mostly just a straight summary of his posts.
"P 127. Attacks gore some more, then attacks brick for his “misrepresenting” of Matt’s case on gore. Does his best to confuse gore, and anyone else reading the post. Changes vote to Ryan." I don't know what you mean here, by him trying to confuse Gore. Why would he try to confuse his scumbuddy? I agree that Mattimeo has played a tight game if he's scum. To be honest, it's really just by elimination that I am considering him as a suspect. So Hashoosh first looks much safer.
If you know what I mean.
zak - I believe he's referring to the reasonably sized paragraph in which I put forward a justification for voting Ryan over Gore, referred to in closing as 'hedging' in light of Gore's previous dismissal (and indeed, suspicion) of Catwalk's justifying a vote as 'hedging'.
Replace 'confuse' with 'joke with' and everything makes a lot more sense
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Always, somewhere, someone is fighting for you. -- As long as you remember her, you are not alone. (June 3rd, 2014, 02:21)Qgqqqqq Wrote: I keep re-reading this and battling it out in my mind but I can't help but agree with you, Matt, that Hashoosh is by far the most likely to be scum. So if I'm reading this right, you think it's me and Catwalk? And that I voted Gore on Day 2 in a reasonably suspicious way? Oh brother. I've been posting more recently because I got more comfortable as the game went on. But honestly, if you think matt and zak are town, then we're hopeless. |
