Werewolf 3 Game Thread

[Meiz]

I also don't see any point of actively pursuing against Cull today, since my vote against him was all due to his inactivity.

[Bruindane]

@Rowain:

Cull was an inactivity lynch, no one had anything more on him than that. I also thought, and still think, that PB would be likely to be more active in his own defence if he was a wolf. Cull did actually make a couple of interesting posts in the night, so it's not surprising that this got him off the hook for today.

Ok let's assume PB, Cull, MJW were all innocent.

Now what? My personal take was to pry apart the MJW voters, which is inconclusive, but it does appear to be a common them amongst us. MNG, Selrahc, JKaen, Irgy.

[Sandover]

Now on to a very interesting one: sandover Here we have a good case of maybe-wolf especially if PB is lynchd today and revealed as wolf. He was one of those that switched from PB to Cull yesterday making sure that PB was not in danger. And when I asked for support to lynch PB today sandover was the first to answer, offering a different candidate. Extremly strange as he states in the same post that he trusts me more then novice. So he trusts me to be mayor but doesn't want to help me lynch PB. Contrary he tries to make it hard to get the PB-lynch.

Do I trust you more than novice? Yes, that's kind of obvious seeing as I'm voting to lynch novice.

Do I trust you to be mayor? Nope, most definitly not. You got my vote purely by virtue of being the only viable alternative to novice.

Do I try to make it harder for you to lynch PB? Yes, but only indirectly by rather wanting to lynch novice. I'm not defending PB in any way.

Bottom line, I figure novice and pocketbeetle makes for a probably wolf pair at this point. Something really stunk about the way they were throwing roleplay accusations against each other day one. I want novice dead more than PB though, so that's where my vote will remain for the time being.

[Rowain]

@Rowain:

Cull was an inactivity lynch, no one had anything more on him than that. I also thought, and still think, that PB would be likely to be more active in his own defence if he was a wolf.

I wonder. You see PB was really active when he was a villager close to a lynch.
Besides if Cull was an inactivity lynch why not make an inactivity lynch on PB now?

[Serdoa]

Or on Cull for that matter, because in my opinion it is not like he has spoken up so much more now. I really don't trust uberfish but at the same time it keeps me wondering: Could he really be so "lucky" to be a wolf in ALL 3 WWs here at RB? Sure it is possible, but it should be quite unlikely, shouldn't it?

As for the PB or novice discusison: I would like to lynch Roland but it won't happen today it seems, so I want to make my vote count. Now that means I probably have to decide between PB and novice. And I can't help it but I right now don't see it as that big of suspicious behavior that PB is silent - not saying he is not a wolf, but I know from his thread in FFH2PBEM1 that he doesn't have much time these days so I give him the benefit of the doubt. Also I could understand if he didn't try to defend himself as much as he did in WW1 as he did die for it, so he might have thought it is better to not say too much.

That all leads me to conclude that I have to vote for novice instead. As he is one of those people which I am not sure about AND his death should tell us (due to the revealed role) something about what really happened on Day1 I think he is a good target.

[uberfish]

I wonder. You see PB was really active when he was a villager close to a lynch.
Besides if Cull was an inactivity lynch why not make an inactivity lynch on PB now?

You mean game 1? PB thought he was the seer then, he might not feel as involved in the game as a regular villager, but he probably would if he was a wolf. That's my reasoning.

It really doesn't take much effort to deflect an inactivity lynch, so I don't agree with your argument that PB is a wolf and wolves were trying to save him by voting Cull off. Much simpler, if PB was a wolf, for him to just make a few posts himself, with a wolf or two ready to swap to MJW at the end of the day if needed, than for other wolves to risk connecting themselves to him by pushing the bandwagon against Cull.

[uberfish]

Or on Cull for that matter, because in my opinion it is not like he has spoken up so much more now. I really don't trust uberfish but at the same time it keeps me wondering: Could he really be so "lucky" to be a wolf in ALL 3 WWs here at RB? Sure it is possible, but it should be quite unlikely, shouldn't it?

Well it's not any MORE unlikely than 5/23 to be fair, Sareln assigned the roles randomly so if you think I'm a wolf the fact that I was one in the last two games shouldn't deter you from being suspicious of me.

I was hoping I wouldn't be a wolf this time round though, and in fact I'm a villager.

Also, you're right not to trust me (or anyone else) blindly. Day 1 events certainly didn't play out in such a way that anyone could be identified as a trusted villager.

[Roland]

Lets start with Roland: As during the last day he has been very quiet and contrary to the game where he was a villager for sure extrremly sparse with his posts and insights. Could it be that his dislike of lying holds him back?

Are you trying to insinuate that because I hate to lie (and am so terrible at it), and that I've said so little, I must be holding back what I say, thus I'm a 'Wolf? Seriously? That's your whole argument against me?

. . .

You know, I've been trying to resist the urge to lynch you since the beginning, and you're honestly making it very hard to resist. I can't tell if you're a 'Wolf, or you just rub me wrong that much that I want to see you hang, so for the time being I'm not going to push the issue, but man... you're just begging to swing, regardless of what side you're on. :neenernee

Forgoing hostility, maybe it's just that - like so many others - I have yet to find anything solid to go on? I have a slew of suspicions, but none of them with anything concrete to stand on. I'd be tossing my vote at a dartboard and seeing where it lands - not exactly a strong case, wouldn't you agree? I keep looking for reasons to lynch someone, but honestly I almost feel like I'm trying to justify lynching someone, rather than letting the evidence guide my vote. In other words, I'm trying to make the crime fit the person, not the person fit the crime. I really just don't want to lynch an innocent, and with so little to go on I'm in no hurry to place my vote.

Besides, I think it's rather disingenuous to say I've contributed nothing. Yes, I'm posting more sparsely, but it can hardly be said I'm not posting at all. Disregarding my back-and-forth with various people, I think I've made some solid, albeit concise, points - isn't that what many people want from me, yourself included? I mean, your arguments against me come down to a) I can't lie, therefore I must be a 'Wolf keeping my mouth shut, and b) when I've contributed it's been in stark contrast to the novellas I posted in the last game? Sheesh. There's just no winning with you, is there? I mean, I could say that you're entirely reprising your role from the last game, line for line and note for note, but that's not the strongest argument - although it's far better than what you're leveling against me!

As for all those targeting novice, I honestly have to wonder why. You take a little snippet of a comment made as a darkly humorous, sarcastic comment and assume it's a 'Wolf blatantly making fun of the Baner, as though he's unkillable? Oh, and the fact that he's the Mayor, and actually campaigned to be Mayor, well that's got to be the most 'Wolfish thing of all! After all, only a 'Wolf would want to be Mayor - just ask Selrahc!

Oh, wait, that's right. Selrahc was a VILLAGER, who wanted to be Mayor - until someone brought up the fact that the Werewolves had no Devil, so fire&ice plucked Selrahc from the list of available people and said "You're the Devil! Have fun!" After that, we never heard from Selrahc again with regards to his Mayor campaign.... Funny how that is, a 'Wolf wouldn't want to be in the most exposed position possible. 'Course, the fact that the 'Wolves went for Bob instead of novice is just absolutely proof that he's a 'Wolf.

I honestly have to shake my head at some of the arguments being raised. It's like no one in this game actually wants to take the time to THINK OUT their accusations, and apply them against logic, before spouting off that so-and-so MUST be a 'Wolf. I made that critical mistake with Meiz last game, going so far as to convince myself he was guilty when I had already convinced myself he was innocent, and look how that turned out!

BTW Rowain - is this long enough for you? Does it have enough meaningful content? Or should I throw in a couple more quote tags and pick apart everyone's vote, since we're all being SO up front with our reasoning? As for my own suspicions, I'll throw them out tonight after everyone's finished with their lynching gangbang round robin. Also because my internet here at work crapped out yesterday and has been consistently VERY flaky ever since - and now it's spreading to my cell phone, which keeps randomly turning off without so much as a warning if I leave it on my desk at work. I swear electrical gremlins have taken up residence in my office.

[Roland]

I suppose I should tack on that, out of the top 3 lynch candidates, I suspect pocketbeetle and Selrahc. Neither have done much of anything in the way of a convincing defense, despite how I understand Selrahc's irritation at the position he's in. It's not helping his case that it's eerily similar to WW2 (minus the Owl scry, of course), but I'm trying not to meta here, so I'm not convinced he's a 'Wolf - just that he's suspicious to me. As for pocketbeetle, I just flat-out don't trust him, and I have yet to find anything he's posted that contributes to the Village or even to his own defense. Maybe he's low on time - that's understandable - but the time he's spent here he's done nothing with, and I'm not comfortable with that, even if he is a Villager.

Mardoc I've already covered - extremely inexperienced, and mildly naive, Villager, though I suppose that argument could be turned around and used against him as a 'Wolf in a grand scheme of trying to throw everyone off. Frankly, I think that's giving him too much credit - or assuming too much stupidity - but regardless, it's a possibility. I wouldn't put any faith in it, though.

JKaen spends almost all his posting content on RPing - that's fine, if that's the game he wants to play. He throws out random accusations with minimal argument to back it up, which makes him suspicious in my eyes (or at least unhelpful), and I'll admit a mild bias towards him of just "something ain't quite right with 'dat boy", but I digress. Besides, as I said he's a new player, and I want to give him at least 2 days to try out the game. If he doesn't change a bit in that time, I'll happily lynch him on Day 3 - if he's still around.

The rest are all one-offs, but I'll admit that Sandover and Lewwyn are on my list (in that order). Lewwyn hasn't done enough to prove to me he's a Villager, and I know him pretty damn well from last game - after all, we were side-by-side from halfway through Day 1, until he decided it was time for me to retire. Sandover hasn't changed his style from the last game - which he said he wouldn't do regardless of what team he was on; he's going to be how he's going to be and that's that, come hell or high water - and I just don't have a very good feeling about him. Maybe it's entirely because of that, maybe not, but either way it's not enough to lynch him on, and no one else is going to follow at this point anyway - everyone's too busy chasing their own tail.

So, that's my thoughts. See? Nothing earth-shattering. The most definitive evidence I have only points to certain people being Villagers, and nothing that really points to a 'Wolf. Thus my lack of constant contribution - although I think my style is still roughly the same from last game. I always used to wait until I had something concrete to go on, and then do my best to argue it, rather than argue something while trying to find the point at the same time. I'm hoping something changes to highlight 'Wolfish behaviour to me in the next 18ish hours, but I'm not holding my breath. It's hard enough going through the dozens of posts everyone's made without adding much more to the discussion - just lynch votes and a smattering of arguments.

[scooter]

Roland, you are really not helping yourself right now. I understand you criticizing people's posts, but understand that you look somewhat hypocritical right now.

You are saying that people are developing theories that are really flimsy, that arguments aren't thought out, and even calling my theory "trash." Then you turn around and admit you have no idea at all as to who's who. Why criticize then? If you have good theories, then please share. It's just that, for instance, you criticized my suggestion of Irgy as "weak and flimsy" and then when you finally give your list of suspects, it's basically just a list of hunches with no real evidence for any of them.

I'm not saying that's a bad thing per se - because we don't have much to go on here. I'm just saying you are coming across as very hypocritical, when you criticize someone for a "weak" theory, and then offer up a list of hunches that aren't much more than weak theories (and honestly they have far less data. Understand that with what we have to go on right now (almost nothing), that the best of posts are going to be "weak theories." I'd understand your criticisms if you were doing any better, but you are in the same boat as the rest of us - not much to work with. I couldn't figure out why you staunchly defended Irgy and then turn around and suspect people for far less reason than what I did with Irgy. Honestly, that struck me as suspicious in and of itself - as to why you are so convinced Irgy is innocent. That's beside the point though.

Also, Rowain disagreed with you and you threatened to lynch him. Please don't start that train of thinking in this game too. The last thing we need is to start automatically voting to lynch the same person who suspects us... It's just an extremely bad way to play this game, and will definitely result in a werewolf victory if we all play like that.