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Gg Hash, sorry you were the one settled on, if only because we were wrong.
All this meta discussion (which has been most of the talk for the last "game" day, has given me a headache. Despite that, could someone give me a read of all possible combos at this point? Not who is evil like Zak did, but what roles are possible, given what people have claimed, and who would be lying in those instances.
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Jabbz, if you're not a serial killer then the game ends here and I'm afraid you backed the wrong horse. I'm either a cop or a bandit. Zak and Mattimeo are both either vanilla or a bandit. No other combos are possible. Note that setup discussion is different from meta discussion. Meta discussion is stuff like "would the GM really be this much of a bastard?", one of our favourite topics  Setup discussions are simply trying to work out facts.
zakalwe, having fun with your Mexican standoff? Just admit that you're a dirty little bandit, your conscience will feel better afterwards. Keep in mind that I now know with absolute certainty that you're a bandit. I do admire your ability to BS up a storm, though
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Uhm, I think you are forgetting about Qg. Look at my arguments in previous pages. At this point I'm 100% sure he's the Sk. What supports your claim that Zak is a bandit?
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Catwalk, there is no BS in my post, it's all objectively true.
I wonder why you are you so eager to discredit it? I guess you don't like the conclusion that Mattimeo should be shot. Looks like you painted yourself into a corner there, by defending Hashoosh so valiantly.
If you know what I mean.
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(June 3rd, 2014, 15:12)zakalwe Wrote: Q, here are the possible scum constellations:
Catwalk and Zakalwe as bandits.
Mattimeo and Catwalk as bandits.
Mattimeo and Zakalwe as bandits.
Jabbz as SK, Mattimeo and Zakalwe as bandits.
Mattimeo as SK, Jabbz and Zakalwe as bandits.
Zakalwe as SK, Jabbz and Mattimeo as bandits.
Note that Jabbz and Catwalk cannot be scum together, as they can't both be lying. And in any setup with a SK, it's either Jabbz, or else Jabbz is lying about being a vig and must be a bandit. Fully agreed with this, bringing it over to the top of the new page rather than the bottom of the last for anyone else who uses 50 posts per page.
Of course, my conclusions from it are that you should obviously shoot zak, for exactly the reasoning he pointed that you should obviously shoot me 
Jabbz - Q has been confirmed town because there is no combination of claimed rolls that in any way works if he's lying. Full vig takes 2V, full vig + 1-shot takes 3V (ie. still two more than if you're telling the truth). SK is only possible with T (it can't be TTT because there was a Godfather). And with claimed roles, we have no way of transmuting 2V into 1T.
It's either DDVVVTT, with Catwalk and zak (or as zak would say, Catwalk and Matti) lying; DDCCVVV, with me and zak both lying; or DDCCVVT, with me, you and zak all lying about something.
Naturally, both me and zak are maintaining that it's DDVVVTT, with the other lying.
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(June 3rd, 2014, 20:34)Mattimeo Wrote: (June 3rd, 2014, 15:12)zakalwe Wrote: Q, here are the possible scum constellations:
Catwalk and Zakalwe as bandits.
Mattimeo and Catwalk as bandits.
Mattimeo and Zakalwe as bandits.
Jabbz as SK, Mattimeo and Zakalwe as bandits.
Mattimeo as SK, Jabbz and Zakalwe as bandits.
Zakalwe as SK, Jabbz and Mattimeo as bandits.
Note that Jabbz and Catwalk cannot be scum together, as they can't both be lying. And in any setup with a SK, it's either Jabbz, or else Jabbz is lying about being a vig and must be a bandit. Fully agreed with this, bringing it over to the top of the new page rather than the bottom of the last for anyone else who uses 50 posts per page.
Of course, my conclusions from it are that you should obviously shoot zak, for exactly the reasoning he pointed that you should obviously shoot me
Jabbz - Q has been confirmed town because there is no combination of claimed rolls that in any way works if he's lying. Full vig takes 2V, full vig + 1-shot takes 3V (ie. still two more than if you're telling the truth). SK is only possible with T (it can't be TTT because there was a Godfather). And with claimed roles, we have no way of transmuting 2V into 1T.
It's either DDVVVTT, with Catwalk and zak (or as zak would say, Catwalk and Matti) lying; DDCCVVV, with me and zak both lying; or DDCCVVT, with me, you and zak all lying about something.
Naturally, both me and zak are maintaining that it's DDVVVTT, with the other lying.
So to be clear, you are saying the only way there can be a SK is if you, Zak, and me ALL lie about who we are. I don't know about you and Zak, but I know I'm being honest. I suppose that makes sense with what I was scratching out earlier giving myself a headache. So at this point I trust Qg, Zak, Cat, and Matt. I'm sure you guys can see my predicament :/
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Qgqqqqq. Pick a target. I strongly suggest, following zak's reasoning, that target being either me or zak.
Obviously, I'd prefer it it were zak, because I know I'm town and he's not, but equally obviously he's going to claim being in the same position. So yeah, it's pretty much your call.
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(June 3rd, 2014, 20:38)Jabbz Wrote: So to be clear, you are saying the only way there can be a SK is if you, Zak, and me ALL lie about who we are. I don't know about you and Zak, but I know I'm being honest. I suppose that makes sense with what I was scratching out earlier giving myself a headache. So at this point I trust Qg, Zak, Cat, and Matt. I'm sure you guys can see my predicament :/ Pretty simple solution to that:
there's no SK
DDVVVTT or DDVVVCC
Now you just have to work out which of <everyone but Q> is lying to you. I'm claiming it's Catwalk and zakalwe, for fairly obvious reasons.
nb: the above advice is invalid if you're lying yourself. In that instance, you can trust Catwalk as well as Qgqqqqq!
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I've trusted you this far Qg, take care of business.
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