[Spoiler]PB44 Lurker Thread: Nostalgia Edition

[williams482]

Maybe he's assuming forges too?

[naufragar]

You know the joke that the correct way to use mids is to adopt police state and whip out an army? I might seriously do that given the bad quality of my land. PS gives 50% production so 45hammers per whip. A horse archer is 50 hammers so a 2 whip could turn into 2 HAs with some help on production. (Note: SPI leaders could whip out said army then go back to Representation and work cottages!) Even with 5 cities, do this 2 times and you get 20HA. The RM also got mining along with me.

Alhazard isn't the only one reacting like this, but I really don't understand it.  If your land is bad, isn't it likely that your neighbors' land is bad too?  So an early rush is just signing up for crashing your economy early?

Only if you need to commit a lot to the rush. Superdeath, with horses in his bfc and War Chariots in his future, maybe can do it cheaply and fill in the land at his leisure. As a bloodthirsty lurker, I fully support this plan.

[Rusten]

You know the joke that the correct way to use mids is to adopt police state and whip out an army? I might seriously do that given the bad quality of my land. PS gives 50% production so 45hammers per whip. A horse archer is 50 hammers so a 2 whip could turn into 2 HAs with some help on production. (Note: SPI leaders could whip out said army then go back to Representation and work cottages!) Even with 5 cities, do this 2 times and you get 20HA. The RM also got mining along with me.

Alhazard isn't the only one reacting like this, but I really don't understand it.  If your land is bad, isn't it likely that your neighbors' land is bad too?  So an early rush is just signing up for crashing your economy early?

Building the pyramids and then attacking is not an "early rush" and you can't really crash the economy with pyramids built. It's not a bad idea/timing considering his land is weak tiles mixed with decent food resources and lots of forest. Teching maths and chopping mids into some sort of attack is valid. The cities are good for whipping/chopping early but will quickly fall off compared to the jungle areas. He can 1-turn* the mids by planting a city in the dense forest to the east.

He's in the tundra region so he's right to expect his land to be worse than the average long term.

*If unlimited workers, so maybe 3 turns is more reasonable.

[Mardoc]

Building the pyramids and then attacking is not an "early rush" and you can't really crash the economy with pyramids built.

All right, fair point.  My objection was the general idea of 'when in doubt, attack someone' but I agree that applies more to superdeath than to Alhazard.  Especially if he gets the Mids first.

[Mardoc]

I've got to say, I do find it amusing that it seems like just about everyone scouted toward Donovan. I'm sure they all have other neighbors but they all found him first.

[Boldly Going Nowhere]

Well, to put it simply.. 

I was under the impression that war couldnt even be declared till t25. Yet, here is Chumchu declaring on t24, and entering my lands. If i had known that this wasnt an enforced/thing i would have opened differently/had my warriors in better position. This has to be one of those "lets see if i can get a quick kill/coinflip on the capital!" kind of things, as he could have moved to the corner and got a view as most of our starts are always on hills.. 



Ive continued my "normal" movement that i had planned, because frankly if i lose to a less than 50% coinflip.. im going to be taking a break from all the pb's.

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GKC, I believe "different version" message can be ignored as long, as the game allows you to log in. There is a crapton of versions of Civ4 by now.

Al, no mods work under OSX to my knowledge. I am on Mac myself and use Windows installed on a virtual machine all the time.
In respect to scout starts, it is not a rule, it is a feature of RtR mod. And warrior start is a perk of playing basic BTS which was what you specifically wanted to do  I suggest us to have a quick vote between three options:

1) Ask Krill to replace all starting warriors with scouts and Ram to rehost the map.
2) Keep playing but introduce a house rule of no wars until T25.
3) Do nothing.

I vote for (2).

I think alternative 2 is best, it is most fair in my eyes as we already snakepicked.

There is a general consensus to play on with no war declarations until T25, including by chumchu.

Ive got a question for lurkers, that needs answered before i end my turn. See my thread for details.

This seems pretty straightforward in my view. Reload, ask chumchu to replay without declaring. Any seconds or disagreement?

[Charriu]

Agree

[Brian Shanahan]

I would say reload and deny wardec as well. Yes it hurts Chumchu as he's now warned superdeath as to his intentions. But he agreed to the rule in the first place.

The only caveat is was there general consensus on the "no wardecs to T25" suggestion.

[Hitru]

Can't wait for comments from Commodore after SD starts whipping and chopping those war chariots.

[naufragar]

Can't wait for comments from Commodore after SD starts whipping and chopping those war chariots.

Comm's scouting unit died to a bear before he made contact, so no EP. He'll find out with everyone else when Chumchu loses a city.  

On the one hand, I feel a tiny bit sorry for Chumchu, whose copper was in the direction of Egpyt who had horse at cap.   Tough draw. On the other hand, I am a bloodthirsty lurker, and Superdeath is due for a win. Time to see if he can turn this conquest into a dominant lead.