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Wait I am missing something here. You are saying claiming fool doesn't help as it could be false, I am saying it helps the werewolves. So both of us are saying the fool should not claim right?
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Opps, got idiot and fool mixed up *hits forehead* just knock me out already.
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Bruindane Wrote:Essentially novice was nominated not by wolves, He could still be a wolf 
Anyway time for the midnight-tally before I'm off for the night:
Lynch:
5v: Pocketbeetle ( Rowain, Lewwyn, Jkaen, Bruindane, Mardoc )
5v: novice ( Mr Nice Guy, sandover, Serdoa, Selrahc, Meiz)
4v: Selrahc ( Ichabod, uberfish, novice, Irgy )
1v: Jkaen ( fire & Ice )
1v: Lewwyn ( Gold ergo sum)
1v: sandover ( Cull )
1v: Irgy ( scooter )
1v: Fire & Ice ( zakalwe )
2 Not voted:
Pocketbeetle, Roland
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scooter Wrote:Remember last game - Kyan came out and claimed to be the second mason after the first mason got KO'd. Know what the funny thing is? None of the wolves really believed it, it was the villagers who got fooled. My point is that if someone claims fool, it means nothing because no one can ever verify it for the entirety of the game until they are dead. Think about it.
Let's say player A is getting bandwagoned and he is the fool. He goes "wait guys, I'm the fool so I must be a villager!" No one can verify this ever. A wolf then pipes up and goes "um, guys, he's lying, I'm the fool" and then who are you going to believe? No one can ever verify it, so as far as I'm concerned, I will not believe anyone who claims to be the fool, because it's a painfully easy wolf tactic, because no one can ever prove it until they are dead. Worst comes to worst, one person will know he's lying, but who cares?
Alright, being that you actually were a 'Wolf at one time I'll bow to your wisdom on the matter and concede this point to you. However, that tactic does work with certain roles - i.e. the Seer, or the Baner. 'Course, they're roles that are actually important to the Village, whereas the Fool is as likely to be a danger as he is an asset. That's nit-picking, though. Enough side-tracking.
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JKaen seems to be having a parallel discussion here, but whatever.
scooter Wrote:Let's say player A is getting bandwagoned and he is the fool. He goes "wait guys, I'm the fool so I must be a villager!" No one can verify this ever. A wolf then pipes up and goes "um, guys, he's lying, I'm the fool" and then who are you going to believe? No one can ever verify it, so as far as I'm concerned, I will not believe anyone who claims to be the fool, because it's a painfully easy wolf tactic, because no one can ever prove it until they are dead. Worst comes to worst, one person will know he's lying, but who cares?
I most definitely care. I don't follow your reasoning here at all.
Once player A is lynched and revealed as the fool, the wolf piping up is next on the block. Conversely, if A is following a "painfully easy wolf tactic" we lynch player A and nail a wolf, and the player piping up is most probably the real fool.
Remember, trading a villager for a wolf is a very good trade.
I have to run.
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Jkaen Wrote:Wait I am missing something here. You are saying claiming fool doesn't help as it could be false, I am saying it helps the werewolves. So both of us are saying the fool should not claim right?
Basically, but for entirely different reasons. I'm arguing the fool is irrelevant, and saying "I'm the Fool" is equivalent to saying "I'm the Taco Salesman."
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novice Wrote:Once player A is lynched and revealed as the fool, the wolf piping up is next on the block. Conversely, if A is following a "painfully easy wolf tactic" we lynch player A and nail a wolf, and the player piping up is most probably the real fool.
Remember, trading a villager for a wolf is a very good trade.
Circular logic, much? If a 'Wolf claims to be the Fool in an attempt to save himself, and we decide ahead of time to lynch him regardless, he's not going to claim to be the Fool, now is he? Likewise if he's a Villager, except that if the person claiming actually is a Villager (the Fool) no one's going to speak up against it because that would be suicide.
Essentially, your argument makes no sense, unless you're trying to hint that you're the Fool?
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Lol, my last post was a cross-post with about 7 others.
scooter Wrote:Basically, but for entirely different reasons. I'm arguing the fool is irrelevant, and saying "I'm the Fool" is equivalent to saying "I'm the Taco Salesman."
Which would also be relevant if we knew that there was exactly one Taco Salesman.
I have to run.
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If we all agree as a village not to claim fool unless we actually are the fool, then that means that anyone who claims fool is innocent or a wolf. If someone contests the claim, we lynch both of them. This either gets us an immediate wolf kill, or a 1:1 wolf kill, both of which are favourable situations.
Save the claim until it's needed though.
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In the intrest of making my vote count and lynching somone I had a gut fealing was bad Pocket beetle I have no real reasons for him but I want to acualy be involved with this lynch XD
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