Realms Beyond Werewolf 2 : Game Thread

[Rowain]

As presumptuous as expected.


Oh before I forget Selrahc

[Serdoa]

It doesn't make a difference for whom I vote, it doesn't make a difference what I write. It is obvious that the "trusted network" has internally agreed to not talk anymore. Funny as I was harassed from exactly those guys for 2 days to explain myself, to be more "helpful". Though I guess this sentence by Kyan

Therefore, if he is a villager- he's helping. If he is a wolf, he's low threat for now as he's not spreading any chaos within the ranks and he's going along with our votes

explains mostly whats going on. I was never really requested to explain myself. I was simply asked to be helpful. And by helpful they mean to vote exactly what they tell me to vote.

I want one answer: Why did you decide to kill Selrahc who might be a wolf when you could kill uberfish who is - by your own words - for sure a wolf? Why did you decide that taking chances is better then going for the 100% sure option?

[Rowain]

I know it is not directed at me but:

a) If Selrahc is the devil it is far better to kill him now as the wolves may not know who the owl is.

b) uberfish is no more sure a wolf then Selrahc. Sunrise can still be the fool.

[Kyan]

I was never really requested to explain myself. I was simply asked to be helpful. And by helpful they mean to vote exactly what they tell me to vote.

The main reason for this is that, for awhile, you were so busy sitting on the fence that you weren't helping us catch the wolves. This has changed now and your more recent posts are far more useful. Thank you for that.

Yes, i've asked you to vote in a certain way. Of course i have, i have access to information that you do not. Information that will help us win this game. By making this lynch as difficult as possible, you are showing that either a) you're a wolf too, or b) you're a villager whose too stubborn to let people help him win.

I didn't choose to be a mason. Fire&ice rolled a dice or whatever. If you had a role and was trying to help me lean the right way in terms of voting based off of information from *BOTH* a seer and an owl - of course i'd follow your suggestion. The villagers win as a team or get slaughtered. There are no individual winners here.

I want one answer: Why did you decide to kill Selrahc who might be a wolf when you could kill uberfish who is - by your own words - for sure a wolf? Why did you decide that taking chances is better then going for the 100% sure option?

Maybe i didn't write this clearly and if so i apologise:

Selrahc is the devil
Uberfish is a werewolf (OR sunrise is a fool and we have no seer)

The devil is a far more dangerous target so killing him first takes priority. I'd heavily endorse following sunrise's call tomoro. Apologies to uberfish if Sunrise is a fool but it seems unlikely to add a fool seer and not a real one. In my eyes, it is almost certain Uber is therfore a wolf. This is far better odds than we would get by voting to lynch someone else.

What is your reasoning for wanting to kill uber before Selrahc? Surely, the only people that would want the devil to live an additional turn over a regular werewolf would be the wolves themselves?

If Selrahc dies tonight and is proved to be the devil- this surely proves the existence and validity of the Owl's claims? As Selrahc himself pointed out, nobody else could distinguish between Devil and Werewolf.

[Kyan]

I know it is not directed at me but:

a) If Selrahc is the devil it is far better to kill him now as the wolves may not know who the owl is.

b) uberfish is no more sure a wolf then Selrahc. Sunrise can still be the fool.

This is exactly right.

Also, Serdoa, as you've openly admitted that your vote this turn won't change Selrahc's lynching - any chance you could vote for something rather than unneccessarily dragging this phase out?

Once you've voted, the turn can end. It's clear as crystal what the result is today and we can continue this discussion in the night phase should you so wish.

[Serdoa]

Kyan, doesn't matter I think. As I understand the rules the day will either be 24h long (if all vote in the first 24h and more then 50% for one player) or 48h. So this day won't end before 21 GMT - especially as I understood F&I isn't online earlier normally anyway.

But just in case I am at fault: No vote

[Kyan]

Kyan, doesn't matter I think. As I understand the rules the day will either be 24h long (if all vote in the first 24h and more then 50% for one player) or 48h. So this day won't end before 21 GMT - especially as I understood F&I isn't online earlier normally anyway.

But just in case I am at fault: No vote

Ah i see. I misunderstood the rule then, sorry mate.

[scooter]

Maybe i didn't write this clearly and if so i apologise:

Selrahc is the devil
Uberfish is a werewolf (OR sunrise is a fool and we have no seer)

Okay this is what I really would like explained. Disclaimer: I already voted for Selrahc. Half of that is because it's plausible, the other half because it was SO unanimous that honestly I don't want to be lynched the next day if I go against the grain today and I'm wrong.

But why are we so sure that Selrahc is the devil? This worries me ever so slightly. All we know is that he visited someone last night. That's it. He could also be the seer, the fool, or some other role we don't know about. Why is everyone so convinced that he is the devil when the (most recent) supposed seer has never even scanned him, AND the supposed owl only knows he visited someone last night, which could mean several things.

If someone could explain this clearly and logically on the basis other than "he visited someone last night and he's not in Roland's buddy network" then I would feel much better about this vote than I do currently.

Edit: grammar fix only: changed the word "why" to "what" in the first sentence

[Serdoa]

Kyan, correct me please but I understood till now that the Owl saw that Selrahc visited someone else then Luddite last night. Nothing more, nothing less. From your words now I understand that the Owl could validate that he is the Devil - not guess, validate without doubt. Do I understand that right now? If so, you should have said all along, because till now I understood that we are lynching someone that we know is doing something in the night. But neither what he does nor if he is one of the good or the bad guys.

As for me being a wolf: If Selrahc is the Devil, our seer probably has no better scry target then me tonight, does he? So we should find that out soon anyway.

[Rowain]

According to what was posted the Owl only sees where someone goes but has no knowledge what was done.

So yes Selrahc can be a different role than the Devil.