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Selrahc Wrote:With the current discussion on the subject the baner should not do that.
I'm still not convinced it's quite so cut and dried as this, as the baner claiming Fool is much better than the baner claiming baner to save himself... This scenario still bothers me, however:
Quote:The solution to that is simple. If the fool claim is contested, then we lynch the person on the block first.
If that person was the fool then we were going to lynch them anyway, and have now essentially gotten a free werewolf lynch for the next day out of the deal.
If that person was a wolf, then we have lynched a wolf and gotten a confirmed villager.
This is probably the most reasonable solution. I don't like it, but it's the "least bad" solution. I just worry about a WW claiming Fool with less than 1 hour to go and the real Fool not being around to be able to react.
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scooter Wrote:Also, what if the baner claims it to try to carefully save himself? Then the real Fool assumes the baner is a werewolf. My point is it can get so messy, that it would seriously hurt the village. If we totally take Fool claims off the table, then we've potentially saved ourself a truck load of headache.
Why would the Baner claim to be the Fool when he knows the real Fool will come forward? Or, worse, a 'Wolf will come forward and claim to be the Fool, and then the real Fool will come out, too! Then we have to lynch 3 people before finally finding a 'Wolf! And in the end the Baner died, so he didn't even save himself - thus, it was stupid to even try that road.
I think we all can agree that lying is something that only helps the 'Wolves, and no one else. I'd rather trade the Fool for a 'Wolf than nothing at all, to be honest - the 'Wolves are going to kill someone at night regardless. If we spare both the Fool and the counter-Fool, we don't lose an extra Villager but we also don't knock off a 'Wolf - and instead have to find someone to take their place (who may end up being a Villager as well).
We can continue this debate all night, but I don't see it getting us anywhere. I'm with novice & Selrahc on this one. Lying doesn't help us, and it's better to get something out of a bad situation than nothing at all.
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Bruindane Wrote:[strike]Pocketbeetle[/strike]
Selrahc
Great. Now we have a 3-way tie.
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I"m in a hurry and this will be my last post for several hours.
Roland Wrote:Why would the Baner claim to be the Fool when he knows the real Fool will come forward? Or, worse, a 'Wolf will come forward and claim to be the Fool, and then the real Fool will come out, too! Then we have to lynch 3 people before finally finding a 'Wolf! And in the end the Baner died, so he didn't even save himself - thus, it was stupid to even try that road.
Baner = most valuable villager at the moment. If it's die or be alive one more night then die, I can see the baner doing it. I wouldn't, but I could see it happening.
Quote:We can continue this debate all night, but I don't see it getting us anywhere. I'm with novice & Selrahc on this one. Lying doesn't help us, and it's better to get something out of a bad situation than nothing at all.
This is an important discussion actaully, because if we agree on the process ahead of time, that means less chaos, therefore less benefit to the wolves when some crazy scenario comes up if we follow our plan. Ok I'm out for awhile, I"ll be around maybe later tonight.
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scooter Wrote:Baner = most valuable villager at the moment. If it's die or be alive one more night then die, I can see the baner doing it. I wouldn't, but I could see it happening.
This is an important discussion actaully, because if we agree on the process ahead of time, that means less chaos, therefore less benefit to the wolves when some crazy scenario comes up if we follow our plan. Ok I'm out for awhile, I"ll be around maybe later tonight.
That's what we're trying to do is get this resolved, and you're the only opposition to it at the moment! 
As for the Baner thing, the only time that would be a concern is if the Baner claims to be the Fool, and the Fool is not around to see it - thus we spare the Baner for a Day, at most, in which case he'll still die the next day (first in, first out rule) - so the net result is that he still dies! Therefore it's pointless to do this, because you're only sabotaging the Village! Why is that so hard to understand? It would be more idiotic for the Baner to claim Fool than to claim Baner!
Maybe we should just vote to lynch anyone who claims to be either the Baner or the Fool? :neenernee
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Roland Wrote:Great. Now we have a 3-way tie.
Why don't you break it Roland.
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Bruindane Wrote:Why don't you break it Roland.
Because of the three, there's only two I'd consider voting for (Selrahc and pocketbeetle), and I'm not liking some of the people who are voting for either of those two? Of the two, I trust the people voting against Selrach more than I do those voting against pocketbeetle, yet I'm more suspicious of pocketbeetle than I am of Selrahc. Essentially, it's a catch-22.
Frankly, I'm more inclined to vote to lynch you, especially since you've yet to give any reasoning for switching from pocketbeetle to Selrahc.
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Bruindane Wrote:Essentially novice was nominated not by wolves, in some byzantine plot. Of course novice may have been opportunistic. We lack so much information, but this is relevant with novice being up as a lynch candidate.
Yes, at least I understood it when you posted it, and you were answering my question, so thanks.
So it was not a wolf nomination. What's suspicious though is not the nomination, which is neither here nor there, but the level of support afterwards. Either
a. The wolves don't want mayor, and jumped on novice
b. The wolves want mayor, and took the opportunity
c. There's some other reason why a bunch of villagers all supported novice.
If it's ©, I want to hear the reason. Otherwise, either way there's wolves voting for novice. Probably not all of them, but a higher proportion of them. So I'm suspicious of all novice voters whether I'm suspicious of novice himself or not.
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Roland Wrote:Because of the three, there's only two I'd consider voting for (Selrahc and pocketbeetle), and I'm not liking some of the people who are voting for either of those two? Of the two, I trust the people voting against Selrach more than I do those voting against pocketbeetle, yet I'm more suspicious of pocketbeetle than I am of Selrahc. Essentially, it's a catch-22.
Frankly, I'm more inclined to vote to lynch you, especially since you've yet to give any reasoning for switching from pocketbeetle to Selrahc.
How many posts do you need to post a day before you cast a lynch.
Selrahc is on my list of suspects as I posted earlier. Pocketbeetle is not, however he now has the critical mass required for Rowain's theory.
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Bruindane Wrote:How many posts do you need to post a day before you cast a lynch.
As many as it takes until I feel comfortable with where I'm placing my vote. IS that a problem?
Bruindane Wrote:Selrahc is on my list of suspects as I posted earlier. Pocketbeetle is not, however he now has the critical mass required for Rowain's theory.
Refresh my memory - what theory of Rowain's is that, exactly?
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