WW35: Not Another TPS Report [Game Thread]

[zakalwe]

That's not much from Jkaen, but actually I'm still getting town vibes.

The game doesn't have to revolve around meta, Jkaen. My arguments against Lewwyn yesterday were just based on conventional scum hunting, for example.

Ichabod's case against Dtay is also meta-free, and makes sense to me.

Cross-posting with Rowain... good post.

[Molach]

To Jabbz:"From how I read this Molach, you seem to be implying it's strange that Lewwyn didn't vote for me here."
I think it's even more curious that he doesn't mention the case or your name at all.

In my last post I said Jabbz is back to neutral, but having mused over it I'll have to grade him "scum lean" again. Novice-vote = good, Lewwyn ignore = not good, so left with day 1 posting which has been talked about.

In fact to make it official I'll start off with Jabbz.

Regarding Jowy, here's some other posts on him:
TT: ” I originally liked Jowy, then he's started moving targets around quite quickly and that made me more concerned.”

AdrienIer: “I'd be looking at Jowy had he not discarded mafia tracker. Could be a way to hide if he drew goon/tracker. He's been changing his mind a lot, making a show of participating while backing off from actually investigating.”

Jkaen: “So you [Jowy] agree with Lewwyn's read. You note that he discarded a role far less powerful than others have discarded.
Then you jump on the latest bandwagon to be swinging through town?”

In my experience playing and lurking, this isn't atypical Jowy playstyle. Jowy has certainly jumped about a bit, some votes with little arguments, but he has also given some analytical posts. And the jumping about I view as Jowy's way of playing. I don't know how much experience the 3 above have playing with Jowy, though.

Crosspost with a few.

[zakalwe]

Lewwyn voted instantly for Novice when he realized there was a cross-claim. And he was the GF, supposedly eager to be suspected, according to some. It's quite likely that all the wolves reacted similarly and there was no attempt to save Novice.

[Meiz]

How can anyone get town vibes from Jkaen. He hasn't updated his read at all on Jowy, but sticks to his day 1 argument. Jowy made an excellent counterpoint to his attack (Jowy voting just popular targets without reasons.) He was voting scum! Why does Jkaen not realize this? The attack is clearly fake.

[AdrienIer]

Sorry for not participating so far, I wanted to reread the thread this morning but someone broke into my uncle's house last night and I've been on the phone for the past hour.
And just because I'm mentioned right above this, @Molach Jowy is playing pretty much like in WW34, I don't consider his actions real scum stuff.

[Gazglum]

Jkaen: “So you [Jowy] agree with Lewwyn's read. You note that he discarded a role far less powerful than others have discarded.
Then you jump on the latest bandwagon to be swinging through town?”

In my experience playing and lurking, this isn't atypical Jowy playstyle. Jowy has certainly jumped about a bit, some votes with little arguments, but he has also given some analytical posts. And the jumping about I view as Jowy's way of playing. I don't know how much experience the 3 above have playing with Jowy, though.

Agree with Molach here. I think Jowy is fairly in character, and it was only a few days ago that Jkaen was playing with him where Jowy almost dragged town to victory.

[zakalwe]

How can anyone get town vibes from Jkaen. He hasn't updated his read at all on Jowy, but sticks to his day 1 argument. Jowy made an excellent counterpoint to his attack (Jowy voting just popular targets without reasons.) He was voting scum! Why does Jkaen not realize this? The attack is clearly fake.

I agree that it's a bad attack. I'm not going to say much more for now, because if I am misreading him I don't want to give him cues about how to keep fooling me.

[zakalwe]

Rowain, you're not interested in lynching Jabbz?

[AdrienIer]

It's too bad that both scum we caught didn't talk much, it's hard to gather info in hindsight. But these two Lewwyn quotes stuck out

A vote for Qgqqqqq is not a pressure vote at this point. Definitely a lynch vote. Of all the people I think he is most likely scum.

"What do you think about this?" is such a wolf question. I don't get how you don't see that. I would use that as a wolf. That's why its a big deal from my perspective.

He went after Q in a harder way than anyone else IMO, which is a good town point for Q. The second one is funny. Not sure if it should be read as a genuine opinion. But novice mentions Ichabod too here

It's wolfy because those posts are a good way of appearing to make content without making actual content. They talk about "general rules" and are, thus, generic, not related to any specific situation or player (only marginally). So, when doing this, you avoid things like contradicting yourself when presenting an argument (which happens when playing wolf), or stepping on someone else's toe when making a case (which can quickly turn into a revenge vote, which you don't want when playing wolf), but you also give the appearance of content.

Well yes, but you can still contradict yourself by making a specific case later that interferes with your earlier general argument.

basically defending Dtay against Ichabod. When both wolves defend the same guy it becomes suspicious.

Sorry for the meta post, but I don't have time for anything more than that.

[Gazglum]

Have you voted for anybody yet Adrien? Who is out and in of your own Circle of Trust at the moment?

Same to Fenn and Dtay if they are around.