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Tasunke Wrote:I honestly don't know whether Naming my Starting Tech and Power would help the village more or the wolves more.

I think I'd want to be more certain


I highly doubt it would help anyone but as I said no problem if you prefer to to not speak about it smile.
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Aight. Maybe later then wink
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The conversation has stalled a bit so I've been trying in my head to come up with other things to talk about. But I don't have a whole lot. I generally dislike lists because I believe them to be more helpful to the wolves than the village - I could paste from the wolf chats/emails in both WW5 and WW7 to several instances where we talked about how useful it was to see who was most misguided and the like. So I don't intend to a wholesale listing of suspects/non-suspects. But I guess for lack of much else to discuss, here is what has been going on in my head about the game. Or, Column as I see 'em:

The most striking thing going on right now to me is the degree to which the current state of the game is linked to scooter's guilt or innocence. I think if scooter is innocent than myself, zakalwe and Rowain all look pretty fishy. Whereas if he's guilty Ichabod and to a lesser extent Mardoc and MJW both look pretty shady. Its not just scooter's guilt or innocence per se, but the way the conversation has coalesced around the argument. Obviously I know my innocence so whether scooter is guilty or not, I'm still innocent and therefore his guilt would not fully damn any of those people for the same reason. But you'd definitely have to take a look at it.

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I really dislike 72 hour days. Maybe I can see it for day one, but all the extra day here has wrought is that nobody feels any pressure to actually do something. I think the game plays more interestingly when its a bit more fast paced.

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I am a little annoyed with myself the degree to which I find myself agreeing with zakalwe and disagreeing with Ichabod. Just about every zakalwe post I find myself nodding my head and thinking "yeah, I had the same thought but hadn't articulated it." And just about everytime Ichabod posts I think "man, Ichabod is really, really shady." This bothers me because I have no real evidence to feel this strongly. We've neither any confirmed living innocents nor any near-confirmed living NAP members. So I'm trying hard to be more skeptical.

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This same note makes me a might bit suspicious of novice, who continues to read as null as ever. Usually as the game goes on I start to tip him into one camp or the other and I've still got nothing.

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Something about Mardoc's interactions in the last 24 hours hasn't sat right with me which is weird because I was getting a complete innocent read on him before then. Not sure what it is but I'll keep examining.

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There's less than 24 hours left in what will probably end up a pretty critical vote on Day 2. Those of you who've barely contributed or barely contributed since Day 1, now's the time. I'll be very suspicious of anyone with no content whatsoever for 48 hours who manages to throw a vote down in the last 8 hours. So slowcheetah, Sareln, Cyneheard and to a lesser extent Selrahc - would like to hear more about well, really anything from you all.

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That's all I've got right now. Going to try and hunker in for a re-read before the night is over and see if anything pops. Do note, I'm generally too lazy for that. wink
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Yeah I hate the 72 hour day too. I feel like I have nothing else to say and all it does is make me second-guess myself. Days should really be limited to 48 hours. I'd rather just get the lynch over with and see if we learn something.

Anyways, I don't know what else to say. My Selrahc vote doesn't really have any support... Our current state of voting is actually really bad:

uberfish Wrote:Votecount

Catwalk (3) - Lewwyn Mardoc Selrahc
Gaspar (2) - Ichabod MJW
Rowain (2) - Novice Slowcheetah
Scooter (2) - Gaspar Rowain
Selrahc (2) - Scotoer Tasunke
Ichabod (1) - Zakalwe
Lewwyn (1) - Catwalk
MJW (1) - Sareln
Slowcheetah (1) - Cyneheard

Not voting - Scummy Wolf

Yeah that kind of spacing is NOT gonna fly. That's making it way too easy on the wolves. I'll swap from Selrahc to Rowain.
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Revisiting the MJW thought from last (tipsy) night lol

In retrospect, I don't think MJW is a guilty as it looked to me after pouring over the day 1 voting record. Yes he wanted JKaen dead, but he clearly had something to gain from it. Yes he voted funny at the last minute, but it could have easily him thinking that with JKaen's death he would be safe from wolves so the next goal is to be safe from villagers later on when he's been part of the winning vote on other villagers. The only suspicious thing I've got now on him that I can't explain is that we haven't heard hide nor hair from MJW since he popped up to claim Tasunke innocent about 16 hours ago (an evaluation with which I agree), a quietness which seems rather uncharacteristic for him, especially with a vote on him.

As it were though, I think the positive outweigh the negatives right now, and I'm inclined to chalk my suspicion of him up to the usual enmity. :neenernee

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But then who to vote for? Recall earlier I was primarily suspecting Mardoc and Rowain before seeing/remembering MJW's last minute shenanigans while compiling the vote-record. I think Rowain has made as good an explanation for his strange vote at the end of day 1 as we're going to get. It could easily be the truth. Lewwyn did a solid compendium of Mardoc's posts and looking over them I think I see someone who is genuinely confused and trying to pick the puzzle apart.

Something still doesn't sit quite right with me about Rowain, but I don't know how else to phrase it. Call it a hunch then and put my vote on Rowain.
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Most current voting post: 685

Vote Tally

(04) Rowain - Slowcheetah, Novice, Scooter, Sareln
(03) Catwalk - Selrahc, Mardoc, Lewwyn
(02) Gaspar - MJW, Ichabod
(02) Scooter - Rowain, Gaspar
(01) Selrahc - Tasunke
(01) Slowcheetah - Cyneheard
(01) Lewwyn - Catwalk
(01) Ichabod - Zakalwe

Vote Record:
MM/DD TT:TT (PST)
03/07 14:14 Mardoc votes Slowcheetah (503)
03/07 14:16 MJW votes Gaspar (504)
03/07 14:17 Cyneheard votes Slowcheetah (505)
03/07 14:20 Zakalwe votes Scooter (508)
03/07 14:26 Tasunke votes MJW (511)
03/07 14:26 Selrahc votes Catwalk (512)
03/07 14:52 Scooter votes Slowcheetah (521)
03/07 15:26 Rowain votes Scooter (524)
03/07 15:41 Slowcheetah votes Rowain (526)
03/07 19:09 Lewwyn votes Scooter (530)
03/07 22:21 Gaspar votes Catwalk (534)
03/08 00:36 Catwalk votes Tasunke (536)
03/08 01:00 Novice votes Selrahc (540)
03/08 01:19 Catwalk votes Zakalwe (542)
03/08 06:25 Ichabod votes Gaspar (554)
03/08 06:50 Tasunke votes Selrahc (556)
03/08 07:00 Scooter votes Selrahc (557)
03/08 07:09 Catwalk unvotes (559)
03/08 08:07 Gaspar votes Gaspar (560) // Bad Quote Tags
03/08 08:09 Gaspar votes Catwalk (561)
03/08 09:11 Mardoc votes Sareln (566)
03/08 14:03 Zakalwe votes Tasunke (577)
03/08 16:41 Lewwyn votes Mardoc (595)
03/08 16:52 Mardoc votes Selrahc (597)
03/08 20:45 Gaspar votes Selrahc (608)
03/08 22:05 Lewwyn unvotes (614)
03/08 22:41 Lewwyn votes Novice (616)
03/08 23:10 Sareln votes Mardoc (617)
03/08 23:39 Sareln unvotes (619)
03/08 23:50 Catwalk votes Lewwyn (620)
03/09 00:02 Zakalwe votes Novice (621)
03/09 00:05 Gaspar votes Scooter (622)
03/09 00:45 Novice votes Rowain (628)
03/09 02:20 Zakalwe votes Ichabod (633)
03/09 03:12 Sareln vote MJW (638)
03/09 06:30 Mardoc votes Catwalk (644)
03/09 07:28 Lewwyn votes Cyneheard (648)
03/09 08:38 Lewwyn votes Catwalk (652)
03/09 16:17 Scooter votes Rowain (684)
03/09 16:34 Sareln votes Rowain (685)


Player List:
  • Catwalk
  • Cyneheard
  • Gaspar
  • Ichabod
  • JKaen (Dead, Innocent)
  • Lewwyn
  • Mardoc
  • Meiz (Dead, Innocent)
  • MJW
  • Novice
  • Rowain
  • Sareln
  • Scooter
  • Selrahc
  • Slowcheetah
  • Tasunke
  • Zakalwe
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My head hurts... where is Cyneheard?
“The wind went mute and the trees in the forest stood still. It was time for the last tale.”
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I had to do some BS for spring break but now I'm done with it. So I will post more. My response to Gaspar is going to be so long that it is going to go in a different post after this one.

Sarlen: Tansunke voted at the last second, from out of nowhere, which I found very wolfish. Because my power is not the greatest thing ever kill a wolf would be much better than triggering it. I voted Jkaen after he roleclaimed because I found his roleclaim to be unlikely due to metagame reasons—about how uberfish gives out roles.

Lewwyn, Cyneheard says that he is dealing with BS at work. I believe he would not lie about that. So him going AWOL does not mean anything. That being said if he is still AWOL without posting anything voting him off is probably a good idea.

Rowain, Ichabod said more in post number 678. I also mostly respond to what is happening—if no-one posted here what would I post about?!

Speaking about Rowain I don't find it plausible that I could hang with 12 minutes on the clock with no other votes on me. There are just not enough people there and some people are not willing to switch at the last second. I want you to explain why you found it plausible that I could eat it. Just saying “people hate mjw” is not good enough because it is not plausible I would hang just because of that. I do find it plausible that someone else would find it plausible for me to get lynched. You just have to explain it to me. smile

An other issue about Rowain is that he is posting less often. However, this does not mean much—he is busy and in some other game he said he would post less in the future for some reason (I just forget everything about it. smile ) I think people accept him posting less. What some other people and I don't like about Rowain is that he is just reacting to everything instead of coming up with new ideas. This is not in his usual villager style. Wolfs are more reactive and defensive then villagers because they focuses one not getting lynched—not killing other people.

I'm still not voting for you Rowain because Gaspar seems worse to me. However, there is a good chance that the gaspar thing won't go anywhere today and I have to switch to someone else.
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I understand that my absence for the past 24-48 hours (it's not like my last post was THAT helpful) could be suspicious. Work really has been hell, and I needed to go out and booze to unwind about it today. And being a bureaucrat, I'm maybe a little too sensitive about publicly discussing my work, but this situation was worse than normal, and my job is more important than WW11. I'd gchat about it with people, except that gchat for WW opponents isn't really allowed, even if it was simply "why I've been unable to deal with WW11." And, yes, I've been able to deal with PB5 and other stuff, because that doesn't require emotional intelligence to say "hey, look, my warrior should move X."

I should be better tomorrow. The worst was Thursday, so Saturday morning/afternoon should be fine enough for me to make a reasoned judgment about who's evil and who isn't. Friday at work was decent enough, but booze was badly, badly, badly needed to start to deal with the crap I've seen over the past week.

Something about scooter still makes me suspicious, not entirely sure why. A sober reevalutation is in order.

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Slowcheetah doesn't deserve a single random vote that's just been sitting there since the beginning of the day. I think he's been explicit enough about what's going on?

And, no, I don't care if suspicions turn on me. I'd rather focus on either work, games that will last a while (PB5), or PBEM22 that's in the real endgame over a game where I don't know who's up to what.
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It's gaspar time :zzz:

Post #599

Pretty much the only big thing is that Gaspar has asked me to spell names correctly. However, I already have! After Cyneheard called me out, early on the first, I've been doing a much better job. I did invert the l&e in my last post and Tasunke also had an extra n though. If Gaspar had been reading my posts at all he would have noticed this and asked for something else. I think it is pretty clear that I've been at least trying... I think the only plausible explanation for Gaspar for not reading my posts is that he is too lazy to do so as a wolf. He if where a villager he would do at least a cursory read or say in this post I've been ignoring you. I know this because he was a villager in FFHww and he did read my posts.

I'm not going to ban myself from saying “this player is bad” just for Gaspar. At least the lurkers who hardly post at all are worse than me. This is a case of the teapot calling the kettle black but the kettle is still clearly blacker... In an extreme case at least that werewolf in ww3 is worse then me. He did not post at all and got mod-killed. If Gaspar allows an exception for those types of players maybe we can come to an agreement-- if not there is nothing to talk about.

Let's go backwards from here. The rest of this is quote tedious so feel free to skip this everyone. smile

#683

Gaspar quotes a bunch of mostly irrelevant posts. Probably trying to look useful.

I don't think scooter had a good chance to get lynched so the vote record would not tell use anything. And if scooter is innocent he is not playing an awesome game so everyone who does not like him or voting him does not look so bad... So there is nothing good to gain from lynching scooter if he is innocent.

I also think there is plenty to talk about. lol There is just too much BS for Gaspar to justify dumping his vote on some random lurker. That was my main point. Do you guys really think there is nothing to post about?

#653

Says he would post more. Is talking about the scooter metagame issue really more? Of course he could have trouble finding things to post about but we have already been there.

The rest of this post is just attacking Ichabod and so is not for me.

#622
Says that sareln usually feels like a probable innocent but not for this game. I really can not tell the difference in how he is acting. But that might not mean anything because I can never get a read on sareln.
Gaspar does not actually respond to catwalk's issue. All he does is spin his wheels on the scooter metagame issue. (Lynching scooter is a good idea because it gives us lots of information!!!)

#618
Says that he does not understand why Mardoc is a good lynch target. I don't think this makes much sense. Mardoc has not been looking useful so far and has not done much. He also has that horrible post #516 that feels like its from some wolf e-mail. Gaspar is also pretty sure that one of the lurkers is guilty—this makes sense—and Gaspar goes with Sareln. I can not get a read of any of the lurkers so I don't know if this makes any sense.

#608
Gaspar dumped vote on Selrahc for lurking even though a little while latter he says he “likes” Sareln better. Nothing happened between that time, the time was short and Gaspar's posts imply that he did not think much during that time. Yay!

He moves Ichabod away from scooter because he realized that the connection was weak. Scooter is still fishy but it is good idea to go pressure other people.

It is very unlikely for me to “guess” Jkaen's role exactly. My role is pretty complex and obscure. So my role-claim is very likely to be true. For my role to make sense on team bad there has to be a vig or some other way the town can kill at night. I've never said we don't have a vig but there is a chance we don't and can get a “free scry”. smile

Gaspar you would at least talk about Tusanke more. If not that player some other player who is doing BS. There is just too much going on to dump your vote on an inactivity target just because you have nothing to go on. Your only other non-inactivity target for most of the game has been scooter.

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All I want to add is that it is depressing the vote is splinting this way and I only cross posted with Cyneheard.
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