[PB65 LURKERS] We lurk in single-file to hide our numbers

[civac2]

@Charriu: Do you understand why Pindicator has 3yield trade routes to his size 14 city everywhere. Shouldn't the base value be 1 to due distance for most?

[Commodore]

Diplomacy in this game is more of a grudging SNAFU than even normal.

[Ginger*]

For Cornflakes's "Evil Plot" he can just road the tile west of the red dot city and guerrillas will still have a point of movement once they reach the blue hill, able to pillage. Alternatively, he could just use mobility horchers or chariots

[Miguelito]

Once i hit around 15 cataphracts i think im going to go for it.

That should be no more than 3 turns after hitting guilds but... somehow he has the tech,  but has just 3 phracts queued, building forges instead because the 140 turns before weren't enough? baffled that superdeath of all people needs to be told to build his magic super UU.

[Tarkeel]

Also, he only has 6 (!) catapults, 2 LBs and a crossbow as his "real" units. He's skating on his reputation this game.

[El Grillo]

Uh oh, looks like some classic AI diplo miscommunication here between pindicator MJMD and Cornflakes.

[Ginger*]

I'm sure he thinks I'm throwing the game for Cornflakes, but I'm not convinced Cornflakes is the long-term threat... (Watch Superdeath kill us all with Cataphracts.) I'm hoping he realizes that if I wanted to burn him I would be pushing into his territory and not keeping my stuff picking around the edges.

[Amicalola]

Initially I thought Mjmd was being a little dramatic but if Pindi actually broke a fish/fish with 2nd/3rd place (hard to say which; either is grim) over a couple of spots that were poached during a conquest and stole few/no tiles...

[Ginger*]

but I'm trying to understand why Mjmd wouldn't want peace with us

[Tarkeel]

So you might ask why not equally fight Pin and Cornflakes? Its a fair question. Other than it being a hard futile struggle its mainly because Pin a stupid mutinous dog. Now I think he purposefully isn't moving in, he wants me to fight Cornflakes (and I'm pretty sure Cornflakes is just there as a pinning force). I WAS GOING TO PIN!!!! You know when I got knights and could actually do something about the horrible vision situation I have with Cornflakes. With knights I could either A) directly go after Monitor or B) If I thought he had too much / if Pin wanted to divide SaC. Then in the mess that is lightly cultured lands if Cornflakes tried to move out could at least get a first strike. And if Cornflakes didn't move out then the 3 allies would divide SaC. I am assuming SD stayed true but with how many units both and Cornflakes had starring at each other I'm pretty sure there isn't a lot of trust there.

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Mjmd might crumble even if we don't push against him.

He lost the battle and the city and I have to imagine that he has no army after this.  I haven't seen him whipping, which is rather amazing.  Now I wonder if the reason he didn't give peace is because he doesn't want Cornflakes to get everything and he knows he can't hold him back.  That may be a stretch, but I'm trying to understand why Mjmd wouldn't want peace with us.  I pretty much kept put and offered a cease fire to him - but we could try to move our units in and really take him / cripple him if we thought that was in our interest.

This is probably the most epic missed signalling I've seen: Mjmd abandoned the Cornflakes front to go after Pin, but Pin read it as Mjmd crumbling. Ouch.