Werewolf 12: Game Thread

[uberfish]

I'm calling Catwalk village in order to get him lynched??

[uberfish]

How about I'm calling Catwalk village because I think he's village and don't want a stupid bandwagon on an easy mislynch target.

[Ichabod]

Serdoa. Too elaborate vote post to my liking. Talking about it's either a) or b) is wolf like behaviour of covering all bases. And all the questions in the post is also very wolf. Let's get some confirmation going or jump out of this boat, right?

MNG is also a bit suspicious. The funny Zak = bad Zak vote is not from WW 11. I used it way back in the day when I played as a wolf for the first time. Even before that, I think. And it always come with the Zakofonix thing too.

[Catwalk]

In the mean time, Catwalk seems unlikely to ever be night-targeted by wolves to me, even IF he is village. Might as well take care of him ourselves.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume there's a reason why this doesn't scream wolf. Feel free to provide it

Now, the explanation he delivers is that he doesn't believe that catwalk would fake the question how nightkills work. Well, first of all I think it is fair to assume that there is more than one wolf, so cIvatwalk doesn't have to come up with the idea. Second, catwalk has shown in earlier games that he can come up with crazy ideas, so why not with a fake tell? Because he is not sophisticated enough? Remembering the time I played with him, I would call him some things, but "not sophisticated enough" wouldn't be one of it.uberfish

I have to agree with Serdoa a little bit on this one. Even if I was too unsophisticated to make this play (I very well may be, I think I'd make a horrible wolf if ever I land the role), another wolf could have easily fed me the line. I do find it suspicious that uberfish overlooked this possibility. Sorry to be ungrateful for the helping hand uberfish :neenernee

[Serdoa]

uberfish, as for your first question: If you call him village, players could start questioning why anyone would do that, especially as he was already getting doubted from some. And tbh, I doubt him as well, simply because I didn't have much time and still was able to read everything NH had posted in the setup-thread and here about the game, so his whole "guessing"

there is only one pack, or only one pack can kill (makes no sense).

made no sense. Except for if one tries to act because he wants to appear active and thoughtful when he isn't.

And this questioning of other players could lead to

A: "Maybe they are both wolves and uberfish tried to cover him up, so that his behaviour wouldn't questioned anymore?"
B: "Oh yeah, that could totally be. But whom to lynch?"
uberfish: "Not me, everyone jokes about that I am always a wolf so I certainly am none."
catwalk: "Me, me, me... it will show you that I am innocent and the seer AND vigilante at the same time and THEN you can kill uberfish."
A+B: "Sounds legit, lets do it!"

Well, or some such at least. More serious: The chance that you both are wolves (or that you are one and try to appear helpful and make a villager-friend) is certainly higher than you being a wolf trying to get him lynched. But quite honestly, I feel that is still more plausible than to believe that you both are villagers and you just try to save him... like forever before deadline and because he has what, 3 votes out of 21?

[Serdoa]

Serdoa. Too elaborate vote post to my liking. Talking about it's either a) or b) is wolf like behaviour of covering all bases. And all the questions in the post is also very wolf. Let's get some confirmation going or jump out of this boat, right?

MNG is also a bit suspicious. The funny Zak = bad Zak vote is not from WW 11. I used it way back in the day when I played as a wolf for the first time. Even before that, I think. And it always come with the Zakofonix thing too.

Wait, let me get this straight. I am a wolf because:

- I have not posted a one-liner but actually tried to explain my thoughts
- I have posted a list which you mistakenly interpret as covering all bases (though it is obvious that it is not) and
- I have posted several questions which are obviously rethorical but what you again mistake for not making a statement

So what you actually tell us is that you didn't read and comprehend my post but instead looked how many "?" and lists you can find? Good job there, but how exactly does that help us catch a wolf? Sounds for me more like trying hard to come up with an excuse to dismiss my valid point about uberfish post being suspicious.

Anyhow, you have one thing right: I am not 100% certain that uberfish is a wolf, because I have exactly one suspicious post to go on and it is not even 24 hours into the first day of this game. Clearly wolfish that I don't jump for someone immediately and be sure above all else that he is a wolf... wait, are you mistaken me for Rowain maybe?

[Catwalk]

I didn't read the setup thread much, and I don't think we can rely on it as far as setup goes. He obviously wanted to keep the setup secret, so he may even have planted misinformation there. I think it's highly questionable to speculate to this extent about this setup based on the setup thread, especially if you use it to cast suspicion on someone for not going by the gospel truth of these setup speculations. You have to admit that two wolf packs taking turns killing is a highly unusual idea, and I already admitted it's a possibility.

Serdoa, look at Lewwyn defending Mardoc out of the blue last game on day 2 based on hardly any evidence. It made him look highly suspicious (and I certainly went after him for it), yet they both turned out to be innocent. I don't think it's good villager play, but the example demonstrates that it's a very plausible villager play. That said, uberfish did make the mistake of not considering the possibility of a wolf feeding me that line.

[Catwalk]

Upon seeing myself #2 on the post count, I'm going to pre-emptively smack myself and ban myself from posting for the rest of the day. I'll check in before going to bed On a side note, the lynch deadline is tough for me and I likely won't be on for any lynches this game. I wonder how that will affect this game, I imagine most Europeans have the same problem.

[Ichabod]

Wait, let me get this straight. I am a wolf because:

- I have not posted a one-liner but actually tried to explain my thoughts
- I have posted a list which you mistakenly interpret as covering all bases (though it is obvious that it is not) and
- I have posted several questions which are obviously rethorical but what you again mistake for not making a statement

So what you actually tell us is that you didn't read and comprehend my post but instead looked how many "?" and lists you can find? Good job there, but how exactly does that help us catch a wolf? Sounds for me more like trying hard to come up with an excuse to dismiss my valid point about uberfish post being suspicious.

Anyhow, you have one thing right: I am not 100% certain that uberfish is a wolf, because I have exactly one suspicious post to go on and it is not even 24 hours into the first day of this game. Clearly wolfish that I don't jump for someone immediately and be sure above all else that he is a wolf... wait, are you mistaken me for Rowain maybe?

Well, I didn't like the feel of your post for the reasons written above. That's about it. Attack me as much as you want about my failed rationale and how I don't know anything. I already suspect you. It won't go away so easily.

[Serdoa]

I don't care where you are going Ichabod. You base your votes on "feel", I base mine on arguments. I think that speaks for itself.