So, Which Boring Leader And Civ Do We Pick?

[pindicator]

Anybody have ideas other than Pacal or Inca for the second pick? We should get all the ideas out before we try to hammer home our favorite.

[xanes]

I only understand StM as not wanting to pick Inca and not commenting on the position in the snake pick. (as in pindicator's first response)
Along that line: I thought some more and doubt that Inca is the best pick. I feel that Inca is really worth it if we also have EXP, which will exclude FIN, as I am sure Pacal will be picked before the snake gets back to us. I would rather have FIN than EXP Inca + something.
I don't really care about the position in the snake pick and feel this is way too complicated, but just for the sake of discussion. If we don't want Inca and believe it is a toss between Pacal/Willem/Elizabeth, we could just take 3rd or 4th and get a better civ pick on the return.
But really I just want to get this show on the road and second pick is fine by me.

Edit: cross posted with pindicators third post:
tl;dr: Pacal/Willem/Elizabeth+decent civ > Inca + EXP&something

[Shoot the Moon]

Yeah, sorry should have been more clear. I was saying take the second pick; I just don't think Inca is the right choice with it.

Pacal/Willem/Elizabeth+decent civ > Inca + EXP&something

Sums up my position pretty well.

[kp]

Any thoughts of skipping fin altogether and going for an exp/phi combo and doing a specialist economy from the outset? That way inca would still be a viable option.

[oledavy]

Unless someone would like to suggest an alternative, right now I believe we're trying to decide between Inca and Pacal. So, let's cast final votes, who do we want:

Oledavy - Inca
Pindicator - Inca
Shoot the Moon - Pacal
WarriorKnight - Pacal
Luddite - Inca
Mardoc - Inca
Waterbat - Pacal
KP - Inca
SleepingMoogle - Inca
Jkaen - Inca
Nakor - Inca
Xanes - Pacal
thestick - Inca

Pacal: 4
Inca: 9

[Shoot the Moon]

Any thoughts of skipping fin altogether and going for an exp/phi combo and doing a specialist economy from the outset? That way inca would still be a viable option.

Too reliant on no one else going for mids. Exp/ind India (or really exp/anything India, or any Ind) can beat us to mids no matter what, so we're screwed if they decide to go for it. And we have mackoti and sevenspirits in the game, and we know they will go for mids

[SleepingMoogle]

Let's get Inca. There's far more good leaders than there are civs.

[pindicator]

Yeah, i have been talking myself into Darius of Inca all day, so I'm going to vote for Inca.

[Mardoc]

I vote Inca. But if the choice becomes Willem or Wang Kon for leader, I'll cry

I'd say there's 90% odds of Bismarck being around later, if we really want to try the Pyramids or Bust strategy...

[kp]

I like the way pindicator thinks...Darius of Inca will be a strong combo...inca for me too...