A little bit of an update. It's been 12 turns so far since I inherited this Civ. My focus has been on growth (both vertical and especially horizontal). And also scouting map awareness.
As you can see I know a hell of a lot more now about the world beyond G. Joey. I got the very sizable islands in the north sea basically uncontested. I'm also aiming to own the south island, which looks very important strategically. My predecessor very helpfully left me with a very nice navy, with plenty of triremes for this early, great for this map.
There's Azza doing what Azza does with Globular Butts, 3-tile planting from a city to take fish on flat land in a position I doubt he can defend in the long or medium term. I could throw some stuff at it right now but I'd rather wait until I have a road network and some more worker support down here.
My dot map on the main south coast can accurately be described as terrible. I played too fast and thought I could get a city between Let's Play and Long Playing for some reason. As it is I waste 4 lake tiles which is sad.
That's focusing on growth as Imp/Cre, first in food and land now.
As you can see I'm basically just dropping cities left and right. Some of them don't have adequate worker support yet but I don't mind dropping them a few turns too early as Creative.
GP is in 3, and I'll probably use it to switch to Bureau / HR, and maybe generate a couple more GPs with caste during the GA. I haven't thought about spreading religion yet. With cheap libraries and markets mostly built where they matter, and me building forges and courthouses right now, most key infrastructure will be up anyway by the time I could benefit from OR at all.
I'd be happy to abandon or concede this game. I'd really like a long break from Civ, period, and there obviously is no joy in this one for anyone except maybe the silent Gawdzak. I don't think it's the fault of the map or the setup or anything like that, just the player base and lack of interest at this time.
I do think that China has winning chances here:
Gawdzak just rolled over Zanth with Cataphracts. He has 26 cities to 23 but I'm still ahead in food and land area (Creative helps). I'm getting Engineering in 2 to have a fighting chance if he goes for the water extremely soon.
Am I correctly reading that you guys played 11 turns in the two months since your previous update?
Played: Pitboss 18 - Kublai Khan of Germany Somalia | Pitboss 11 - De Gaulle of Byzantium | Pitboss 8 - Churchill of Portugal | PB7 - Mao of Native America | PBEM29 Greens - Mao of Babylon
Yes, this game has been stalled completely. The last turn roll was 12/19/14, and there was another long pause in there. I'm a sub here, so I'm not going to be the one who takes initiative to find a sub, but it seems pretty clear to me that nobody else really cares either. So formally calling it here is a bit of a mercy I think.
(October 17th, 2014, 17:27)HalIncandenza Wrote: Thanks Krill and Xenu for your help!
It's interesting how people can see things in different ways!
1. Joey seemed to name a city on our border ~ my naming scheme.
2. Stabilizing our border after our initial clash seemed important, we were both behind, and I had incentive to focus my efforts on Retep. Maybe Joey understood that? Worth exploring.
3. The city was still garrisoned after our peace expired, so I offered g/t for Joey to remove the garrison.
4. Joey seemed to negotiate - I added marble to my offer after he suggested I remove the garrison from my marble city in exchange.
5. I earned a GG in our skirmish for Amphib swords, very useful! Best directed against retep! Provoked Joey
6. I offered increasing amounts of gold per turn, Joey preferred to build a couple hundred hammers worth of trash.
7. Maybe Joey didn't want to lose the wheat? I could offer him that too.
8. Joey spent 0.5sec every 24h playing a diplomatic game.
9. I clicked through 20 or so spite offers after Joey threw a hissy fit.
I'm not Joey's anger management coach!
I'll do better to cultivate a greater contempt for others in the future!
password is pb21suttree
Christ, I have been trying to figure out your motivations for months and... this is what you say??!??
You are either lying or insane. My naming scheme was famous shipwrecks, The Blackjack being Setzer's wrecked airship from FFVI. I didn't name it that to antagonize you; I was completely baffled by your naming scheme meant. I named the city that because I watched some speedrun of FFVI a few days prior and it made me a bit nostalgic for that game.
But why on earth would you include The Blackjack, an island city, in a trade offer that was meant to convey that you wanted me to remove my mainland defensive garrison in the USS Maine? How does that make any sense? How am I supposed to figure that out? And why would I ever remove a defensive garrison, or drop my guard in front of you in any way, when you had a.) gone out of your way to bully me at your first opportunity (the barb city that was just a few spaces from my capital and a billion from yours) b.) shown that you were extremely opportunistic, needing to get the better of me every chance you got? (e.g. nuking our trade routes after I built the GLH, the eternal, arbitrary peacetime turnsplit you insisted on that just heightened tensions all game, sniping the marble city immediately after we signed our peace treaty, etc) I saw no intention from you to build a good relationship with me before the war, and thought our relationship was even more sour after it.
And why were your amphibious swords on a boat next to my island if you meant to use them on retep? You know I had a scout there, right? I could see you loading them! How am I supposed to notice increasing amount of GPT when there's a dozen other things in the trade window? Why would I want another wheat if I already had one? Why did you keep sending nonsense offers after I threw a "hissy fit"?
Whatever dude.
Anyways, GG to you, William, I enjoyed playing the game a lot more after you took over.
G. Joey offered back Sheep for Sheep. I interpreted this as the try-hard move where he wants to signal peace without letting the other players in the game know, so I didn't accept. But I'm still hopeful.
Obviously, he needs to be watched very closely. He's from the ladder meta, and combat tricks are what he's focused on. And I don't think he'll make mistakes of underestimation, the way he may have vs Haram in another game.
I think I had just been stuck in a pause, and didn't get the offer again when I logged back in.
G. Joey offered back Sheep for Sheep. I interpreted this as the try-hard move where he wants to signal peace without letting the other players in the game know, so I didn't accept. But I'm still hopeful.
Obviously, he needs to be watched very closely. He's from the ladder meta, and combat tricks are what he's focused on. And I don't think he'll make mistakes of underestimation, the way he may have vs Haram in another game.
I think I had just been stuck in a pause, and didn't get the offer again when I logged back in.
Ok, yeah, overthinking then! Good game, and as for Suttree, his motivations are as baffling to me as anyone. He's obviously an extremely bright guy at times (look at his and Oxy's performance in PB14) but then he has this other side, I guess. Why he'd think locking into war with you was a great idea when there was still tons of completely open land to be claimed? You've got me there...
Ok, yeah, overthinking then! Good game, and as for Suttree, his motivations are as baffling to me as anyone. He's obviously an extremely bright guy at times (look at his and Oxy's performance in PB14) but then he has this other side, I guess. Why he'd think locking into war with you was a great idea when there was still tons of completely open land to be claimed? You've got me there...