Werewolf 3 Game Thread

[Serdoa]

Roland, I thought about that as well. Already on Day 1. Are you aware that we had two completely obvious bandwagons on Day 1? Yes, we did not only have the one on Cull at the end. There was another one at Lewwyn as well. I know that I am a villager so I was thinking about if that might simply be due to the amount of players? Having 4 people agreeing with you seems rather easy I feel. Especially at the end of the Day when it gets obvious for some that they can't lynch their most preferred target and others might switch because they feel more inclined to lynch one player then let the other be lynched. It seems odd sometimes but at the same time I feel it is understandable.

Though I am not sure about anyone right now so I could be the only villager and all other switchers are wolves. And everyone else has to take into account that I could be a wolf as well. Still I think the plan I have outlined in another post is not the worst one.

[Meiz]

Go back, read pocketbeetles summary on Rowain, think (and then think a bit more). Rowains crusade has been bugging my mind for a while, but only after pocketbeetle's summary, I "saw the light", or actually got confirmation that my suspicions are not another part of my tendency to paranoia.

Big swing like this is something that wolves don't have time to plan and react quickly. Remember that it's not that big deal for most villagers to cast a vote, but for wolves it's everything. They need to really concider several different issues, before they can safely cast a vote against anyone.

Some villagers have a habit to analyze every different aspect throughly and hold their vote until they are certain it's justified. But for me at least it's a bit different. You can talk as much as you like for someones innocence or guilt, and might not get a big reaction. But end your message with a red font, and suddendly things start to happen. I've said it before and I'll say it again, votes tend to make people speak up. One vote is not enough, but get someone on the chopping block and they start to sing

If we lynch Rowain today (which I really hope we do) and he is a wolf, I think we can get a lot of info from that result. Votes for Rowain (after pocketbeetles vote), based on forum clock:

13.45 novice
13.50, Meiz
13.52 Selrahc
14.02 Zakalwe
14.13 Serdoa
14.14 Jkaen

If Rowain is a villager (which I strongly doubt)... well it is what it is then. We still have all this data to analyze later

I would not take this "leap of faith", unless I would already have pre-existing doubts for Rowain.

[Rowain]

Thanks for the tally Serdoa:

Doesn't it look nice this huge list of switches to Rowain at the end. Roland must feel like he has birthday and Christmas together

But some points: If you really believe a wolf would vote for someone and stay on that one for 2 days while full knowing that if the one turns out to be a villager he is the next one to get lynched you are a graduate of MJW-school of logic.

But that aside: Take a good look about who switched with whom:

Selrahc and novice were happily lynching each other until they found a common goal.

Meiz was throwing votes around (Mardoc, no vote, Selrahc novice ) and allways sure he had a wolf. So how do you feel to vote with 2 you had on your wolflist not long ago?

That Serdoa votes for me is no surprise :wink2:.

[Lewwyn]

Lewwyn, when I look at past experience, when you think that Rowain is innocent, then he is for me surely a target I should vote to lynch

Point taken! :hippie:

Seriously though, can you define why he's been on your trusted list? Honestly, I was as puzzled about your stance on him on Day 1 as I am now, so I'm really interested in hearing your reasoning. Frankly, I'm inclined to vote for him just because I flat-out don't trust him one iota, but the sudden bandwagon is mildly alarming to me.

I, uh, have a meta reason for trusting him? After the wolf kill I was waiting for people to post. So like I always do I was snooping and checking to see if anyone was replying to thread. Rowain was actually searching the thread. I believe it said reading all posts in WW3 by Bob, or somesuch. Later he posted that quote from Bob. I figured he was a villager looking to see if there was anything Bob had said to tip them off. And he found it and posted it.

Now I believe if he were a WW that he A) wouldn't have need to search, B) probably wouldn't have posted it in order to keep his profile a bit lower.

So am I crazy for thinking this?

[Meiz]

Meiz was throwing votes around (Mardoc, no vote, Selrahc novice ) and allways sure he had a wolf. So how do you feel to vote with 2 you had on your wolflist not long ago?

I guess I might have sounded more sure on the two than I really was. Truth is, I haven't been sure of anyone's guilt so far, and still aren't (but you are getting close ).

Call it a habit of mine to stir up discussion.

[Roland]

Doesn't it look nice this huge list of switches to Rowain at the end. Roland must feel like he has birthday and Christmas together

Actually, not really. It makes me suspicious more than anything. Much as I won't mind seeing you swing in the breeze (always need more archery practice ), I'm not trusting of some of the people who switched - most notably Selrahc.

Honestly, I don't know what to think right now. Sorry novice, but I'm not in a hurry to join anyone's bandwagon today. Of course, the clock is fast running out, so I guess I better make up my damn mind soon! Urgh...

I'm gonna let this lie for another hour and see what develops. I'll make my decision before the end of the Day.

So am I crazy for thinking this?

Yes. :neenernee

(I'm only half-joking Lewwyn. )

[Lewwyn]

Honestly, I don't know what to think right now. Sorry novice, but I'm not in a hurry to join anyone's bandwagon today. Of course, the clock is fast running out, so I guess I better make up my damn mind soon! Urgh...

You could buddy up with me again roland, since we make such a great team.

[Serdoa]

But some points: If you really believe a wolf would vote for someone and stay on that one for 2 days while full knowing that if the one turns out to be a villager he is the next one to get lynched you are a graduate of MJW-school of logic.

I don't agree. I explained already before why you don't necessarily will die if PB is innocent. Though I consider what you imply here. But then, wasn't it you stating that a wolf has to act like a villager? And you seem to believe that how you act is how a villager would act - either because you are one or because you are a wolf. Anyway, lynching you will at least give some information. Heck, it gave it already if we look at the switches. We simply have to go through with it to understand them better.

That Serdoa votes for me is no surprise :wink2:.

I have to ask: Is this comment related to my suspicion of you on Day 1 or are you somehow relating something of WW2 to this? If so I would like to make clear that yes, I am suspicious of you since Day 1 but no I do not hold any grudge for your comments after WW2. After all I did a poor job when I didn't contact anyone.

[Mardoc]

Yesterday I was starting to doubt my theory that Pocketbeetle, novice, and Meiz were working together, with a common strategy of infighting in the first half of the day (with votes, not words), but when the votes counted, making sure they came down on someone else. And yet, here we are with the same thing happening today.

I still expect Lewwyn to be holding his vote in reserve for another last minute switch, just in case. And Cull may be actually innocent. But if we want to get a wolf today, it's looking like Pocketbeetle's the only one within striking distance.

Sandover, Mr. Nice Guy, I'm willing to vote for novice tomorrow, assuming he doesn't eat me tonight. Please come join a bandwagon that might get a wolf.

I can't promise to vote for Selrahc, all ye Selrahc voters, because this coordination still looks a lot more suspicious to me than he does. If I turn out to be wrong in my PB theory, then I'll be a lot more persuadable tomorrow

[scooter]

Okay, I caught up and had a few minutes to consider what's going on. Pocketbeetle's post was extremely enlightening, and considering his absence from all the forum (something I did not know about and just read about from people as I started catching up), I feel I should not vote for PB anymore. If he's a villager, he'll be a very good one I feel, and his post helped alleviate many of my fears. He's not exactly on my trusted villagers list yet, but I don't feel comfortable voting on him.

He made a very interesting case against Rowain, but honestly I don't feel comfortable with the mass swap from PB to the guy PB wants us to vote for. Or at least, I don't feel comfortable doing it myself - since just last night I was voting for PB himself. Since I still don't buy the stuff against novice (still not sure what people have against him but okay), I feel like I need to vote for Selrahc.

Roland - you really need to put down a vote. You've hedged all day which was mostly understandable, but it's gotten to the point where you really need to vote. You're not exactly high on my suspicious list, but little alarm bells start going off in my head whenever someone intentionally doesn't vote until late. There's less than 2 hours left and you've intentionally not voted, which is odd to me. Please help the village out and cast your vote.