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Lewwyn Wrote:You could buddy up with me again roland, since we make such a great team. 
Oh yeah, the guy who lynched me during the last game when EVERYONE knew I was a Villager - even the 'Wolves were puzzled as to what the hell you were smoking - wants me to buddy up with him this time around, when his track record is picking up right where it left off from previous? 
Thanks, but I'll keep my distance for the time being. After all, you don't have luddite to corroborate your Mason status this game, so you're as blind as I am. Honestly, no offense - it's nothing personal. I'm just not convinced of your innocence in this game - though I'm not going to crusade to get you lynched, either, so don't fret. Besides, if I recall you're biggest suspect right now is novice, and you're most trusted candidate is Rowain - a far cry from my own alignments (I don't trust novice, but I don't think he's a 'Wolf, either; as for Rowain, well, I think I've said my peace on him).
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Mardoc Wrote:Yesterday I was starting to doubt my theory that Pocketbeetle, novice, and Meiz were working together, with a common strategy of infighting in the first half of the day (with votes, not words), but when the votes counted, making sure they came down on someone else. And yet, here we are with the same thing happening today.
I still expect Lewwyn to be holding his vote in reserve for another last minute switch, just in case. And Cull may be actually innocent. But if we want to get a wolf today, it's looking like Pocketbeetle's the only one within striking distance.
Sandover, Mr. Nice Guy, I'm willing to vote for novice tomorrow, assuming he doesn't eat me tonight. Please come join a bandwagon that might get a wolf.
I can't promise to vote for Selrahc, all ye Selrahc voters, because this coordination still looks a lot more suspicious to me than he does. If I turn out to be wrong in my PB theory, then I'll be a lot more persuadable tomorrow Not even a comment on my post Mardoc?
Not a "it's complete bs!" or "you make some good points"?
Not even a "you're clearly a wolf trying to save yourself"?
Just thought I'd ask.
The person you're voting for just wrote a wall of text, yet you don't even address it.
It seemed slightly unusual to me.
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Assuming Serdoa's previous tally was correct:
Lynch:
7v: Rowain (Pocketbeetle, novice, Meiz, Selrahc, zakalwe, Serdoa, JKaen)
6v: Selrahc ( Ichabod, uberfish, Irgy, Bruindane, Gold ergo sum, scooter )
5v: Pocketbeetle ( Rowain, Lewwyn, Mardoc, Fire & Ice, Cull )
2v: novice ( Mr Nice Guy, sandover)
1 Not voted:
Roland
90 minutes remaining.
I have to run.
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scooter Wrote:Okay, I caught up and had a few minutes to consider what's going on. Pocketbeetle's post was extremely enlightening, and considering his absence from all the forum (something I did not know about and just read about from people as I started catching up), I feel I should not vote for PB anymore. If he's a villager, he'll be a very good one I feel, and his post helped alleviate many of my fears. He's not exactly on my trusted villagers list yet, but I don't feel comfortable voting on him.
He made a very interesting case against Rowain, but honestly I don't feel comfortable with the mass swap from PB to the guy PB wants us to vote for. Or at least, I don't feel comfortable doing it myself - since just last night I was voting for PB himself. Since I still don't buy the stuff against novice (still not sure what people have against him but okay), I feel like I need to vote for Selrahc.
Roland - you really need to put down a vote. You've hedged all day which was mostly understandable, but it's gotten to the point where you really need to vote. You're not exactly high on my suspicious list, but little alarm bells start going off in my head whenever someone intentionally doesn't vote until late. There's less than 2 hours left and you've intentionally not voted, which is odd to me. Please help the village out and cast your vote. 
Echoes my own feelings pretty well, and you're right - I do need to make a decision. It's not like me to wait this long, and it's not like I have some grand scheme that I'm waiting to launch last-minute. I have just been hedging, because frankly so much as happened in the last... 18 hours? that I just haven't had a solid target until now. I'm tempted to vote for Rowain, as I don't like his crusade. I'm concerned about the sudden swing from poecketbeetle to Rowain, because although I think pocketbeetle is a Villager that only means he's as blind as the rest of us, and I guess I don't find his argument so utterly convincing that I would expect the mass shift we've seen - even if I agree with much of it in principle. One thing that did stand out to me, however, is Selrahc's shift. He needed a way out from the noose, pocketbeetle gave him the perfect opportunity, and plenty of others jumped on the wagon - excellent cover.
Sorry Selrahc - I'm not certain you're a 'Wolf, but your behavior during this game isn't leading me to believe you aren't. I've asked you to present some sort of defense, discussion, anything, and you haven't responded. I know you said you felt no need to defend yourself against your accusers, but up until very recently I wasn't accusing you - you weren't even on my list back then! I honestly expected to hear SOMETHING from you by now, but I guess you're comfortable where you are.
If you end up a Villager, I'm going to be looking very hard at both Rowain and pocketbeetle after this, but for now it's the vote I feel most confident in.
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pocketbeetle Wrote:Not even a comment on my post Mardoc?
Well, if you insist:
It does seem odd that Rowain's willing to lead a charge on you in particular. There's very little you've done that's suspicious to me except for your coordination with novice, Meiz, and Lewwyn. Well, and a generalized feeling of suspicion due to your 'excellent reputation', but Sareln generated roles randomly, so that shouldn't really apply. I can definitely agree with this much:
pocketbeetle Wrote:(And if you do end up lynching me[and you're innocent], then you better damn well lynch him the next day or Iâm going to be seriously pissed.)
Again, I still do think you're a wolf, but I think that because there's no other way for a group of 4 to coordinate the way you guys are. And, of all the people in the game, you're the one I have most confidence in being able to write a logical, well backed up argument with no lies that nonetheless misleads.
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Oh great, now I'm the one making a tie. Wonderful. :neenernee
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Quote:Sorry Selrahc - I'm not certain you're a 'Wolf, but your behavior during this game isn't leading me to believe you aren't. I've asked you to present some sort of defense, discussion, anything, and you haven't responded. I know you said you felt no need to defend yourself against your accusers, but up until very recently I wasn't accusing you - you weren't even on my list back then! I honestly expected to hear SOMETHING from you by now, but I guess you're comfortable where you are.
You think if I repeat what I say, that makes it more believable?
I've given my defence. I don't think any new arguments have shown up. So I really would be just repeating what I'd said. Great for getting into niggling little debates about nothing, rubbish for productive discussions.
And given that I can't honestly recall Rowain or Novice defending themselves overly much either, it kind of feels like you're just annoyed I didn't respond to you.
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Mardoc Wrote:Again, I still do think you're a wolf, but I think that because there's no other way for a group of 4 to coordinate the way you guys are. And, of all the people in the game, you're the one I have most confidence in being able to write a logical, well backed up argument with no lies that nonetheless misleads.
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Mardoc Wrote:Again, I still do think you're a wolf, but I think that because there's no other way for a group of 4 to coordinate the way you guys are.
Ok, not to sound harsh here, but it truly does seem naive of you to assume that almost the entire 'Wolf team would so blatantly work together - on Day 1!!! - when it's so much more likely that it's a coincidence of Villagers, or Villagers and a 'Wolf, happening to line up.
Seriously, you have numerous people telling you this is the biggest, most basic screw-up ANY 'Wolf could do. To suggest, on your first game, that 80% of the 'Wolf team is that incompetent is either naive (my bet), or outright arrogant - and you do not strike me as arrogant. I wouldn't keep bringing this up if it wasn't such a flawed display of "logic", or if you took the time to step out of your own worldview and see just how fragile your entire theory truly is. Even you've stated that if one part fails, the whole thing comes crashing down - yet you still feel confident in your position? That's balls, man.
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Roland Wrote:That's balls, man.
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