PBEM25 Organizing/Tech Thread

[mackoti]

Thats super, i totaly agree with Oledavy's preferences.

[plako]

General Settings:
1. Restricted/Unrestricted Leaders? Unrestricted
2. Duplicate Civ/Leaders? No
3. Snake Pick? Yes
4. Ban any civ/leader? No Inca, India, Financial or Sury

Diplomacy Options:
1. When can diplo start? After meeting In Game2. Screenshot/Map trading from when? After meeting In Game
3. HE/WP only allowed to build if you yourself got a unit for its pre-requisites? Yes

Bans:
1. Nukes banned? Yes
2. Corps banned? Yes
3. Blockades banned? Yes
4. AP victory banned? Yes
5. Spies banned? Yes
6. Spy Missions banned? change civic and change religion banned
7. Great Spy restrictions (only settling /GA)? Yes
8. Any wonders banned? No

Assorted stuff:
1. Difficulty? Emperor
2. Barbarians? Off
3. Replace starting scouts with warriors? No

[Lewwyn]

I think I'm going to global lurk this one (two). I was really enticed to play with people I haven't played with before, but I didn't want to give myself a small break. I'll help check the map though.

[Serdoa]

So far we have:


Voted so far:

Game 1: Serdoa, WK, oledavy/mackoti, plako
Game 2: catwalk, ad hoc,

Leader/Civ picks:

1. Restricted/Unrestricted Leaders? Unrestricted: Serdoa, WK, catwalk, ad hoc, olemack, plako
2. Duplicate Civ/Leaders? No: Serdoa, WK, catwalk, ad hoc, olemack, plako
3. Snake Pick? Yes: Serdoa, WK, catwalk, ad hoc, olemack, plako
4. Ban any civ/leader?

Ban all Fin/Phi: Serdoa, catwalk
Ban all Fin and Sury: WK, ad hoc
No Inca, India, Fin or Sury: olemack, plako

2. Option: No Ban: Serdoa, WK

Diplo:

1. When can diplo start? After meeting ingame – no 3rd party contact: Serdoa, WK, catwalk, ad hoc, olemack, plako
2. Screenshot/Map trading from when? After meeting ingame: Serdoa, WK, catwalk, ad hoc, olemack, plako
3. HE/WP only allowed to build if you yourself got a unit for its pre-requisites? Yes: Serdoa, WK, catwalk, ad hoc, olemack, plako

Bans:

1. Nukes banned? Yes: Serdoa, WK, catwalk, ad hoc, olemack, plako
2. Corps banned? Yes: Serdoa, WK, catwalk, ad hoc, olemack, plako
3. Blockades banned? Yes: Serdoa, WK, catwalk, ad hoc, olemack, plako
4. AP victory banned? Yes: Serdoa, WK, catwalk, ad hoc, olemack, plako
5. Spies banned?

No: Serdoa, catwalk, ad hoc
Yes: WK, olemack, plako

6. Spy Missions banned?

All: WK, olemack
Change Civic and Change Religion banned: Serdoa, catwalk, ad hoc, plako

7. Great Spy restrictions (only settling / GA)?

No: Serdoa, catwalk, ad hoc
Yes: WK, olemack, plako

8. Any wonders banned? No: Serdoa, WK, catwalk, ad hoc, olemack, plako

Assorted stuff:

1. Difficulty?

Emperor: Serdoa, catwalk, ad hoc, plako
Monarch / Emperor: WK
Noble / Prince: olemack

2. Barbarians?

Off: Serdoa, WK, catwalk, ad hoc, plako
On: olemack

3. Replace starting scouts with warriors?

No: Serdoa, WK, catwalk, ad hoc, plako
Don't care: olemack

[Serdoa]

And I guarantee I'll never do that again with colors. Looks like fries with ketchup

[oledavy]

So, wait, are we splitting this into two separate PBEMs or doing greens and vets on the same map?

[SevenSpirits]

I can start on the map but I don't really see a good summary of map-related preferences (though I know a little through PM from Serdoa).

[Serdoa]

Ok, having looked through, all settings except possible leader bans seem to be clear for Game 1 already now as we have everywhere at least 3 votes for or against it (marked in green below). TMIT stated in post 22 as difficulty Emperor, so that is also clear.

[SIZE="3"]Game 1: Serdoa, WK, oledavy/mackoti, plako, TMIT[/SIZE]

Leader/Civ picks:

1. Restricted/Unrestricted Leaders? Unrestricted
2. Duplicate Civ/Leaders? No
3. Snake Pick? Yes

Diplo:

1. When can diplo start? After meeting ingame – no 3rd party contact
2. Screenshot/Map trading from when? After meeting ingame
3. HE/WP only allowed to build if you yourself got a unit for its pre-requisites? Yes

Bans:

1. Nukes banned? Yes
2. Corps banned? Yes
3. Blockades banned? Yes
4. AP victory banned? Yes
5. Spies banned? Yes
6. Spy Missions banned? Yes (as per 5, no Spies = no missions)
7. Great Spy restrictions (only settling / GA)? Yes
8. Any wonders banned? No

Assorted stuff:

1. Difficulty? Emperor
2. Barbarians? Off
3. Replace starting scouts with warriors? No

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Last thing to decide:

4. Ban any civ/leader?

Ban all Fin/Phi: Serdoa
Ban all Fin and Sury: WK
No Inca, India, Fin or Sury: olemack, plako
No Inca, Mali: TMIT

I think it would be good if we talk shortly about that. It seems we have a majority for banning all Fin leaders (olemack, plako, WK and myself) and a majority for banning Inca (TMIT, olemack, plako) and Sury (WK, olemack, plako). So right now would we agree on

No Fin leader, not Sury and no Inca.

I think nobody is in favor of banning Phi, so that stays if you don't tell me otherwise. Discussion should be done about banning India and Mali. My own opinion is that I'd rather ban both as I think nobody is normally keen on Mali so that it is not really a loss anyway and India is due to the Fast Worker so strong that it is nearly a given first pick in any circumstance otherwise - which is not fun, neither for who gets it nor for the others.

[Serdoa]

As for map settings I wrote Sevenspirits the following:

basically simply balanced, not gimmicky and the players should get to see a screenshot of their starting spot before we start with the snake pick

We decided on no barbs as well. Does anyone has any other strong opinion on the map settings? I would maybe add that it should have place for around 10 peaceful cities (with slight overlap) per player and that it can have water, but should not be built around it (so no Archipelago, Islands or similar stuff which basically skews everything extremely in favor of TGL).

I think it would be good if everyone would shortly voice his opinion on map size (keep in mind 5 player game, though I think giving an estimate on the number of possible peaceful cities is easier for a map maker then hearing "Standard" which can be quite different depending on sea level, map type and so on) and type.

[SevenSpirits]

Are you doing the snake pick first, or after seeing starts?

Edit: Duh, it was in your PM, just not the giant summary you just posted.