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(January 6th, 2013, 11:23)Gaspar Wrote: I think uberfish has nailed the problem - it is just too easy to execute a strategy of "kill the good players." Novice, Zak, Serdoa, et al will make plenty of mistakes, but they will eventually figure it out if they stay around long enough. Unfortunately, its too easy for the scum to just say - forget the items: Day 1, kill Zak; Day 2 - kill Uberfish, etc etc. By the time the endgame comes around its a few wolves and a village split between the crazies and the lazies.
Well it is always an evolution. If you look back the RB-WW history you see that (especially) wolves have upped their play considerable. Maybe it is time that the crazie and lazy up their play too so that the village has again a chance without needing uber-special-powers. Although after the last day I rather fear we have a devolution.
(January 6th, 2013, 11:23)Gaspar Wrote: I mean, the last game I played is a perfect example. We had a lot go against us AND also screwed up a lot - we had no right to win. But because we had killed off all the best players we had a shot.
Indeed you let novice live long enough  .
Novice could not accept that you lied in your attack vs me and decided to lynch me instead of you. (that ws the only moment where were in danger till the last day). As usual even after I turned out to be village he never thought that maybe my accussation vs you was correct. The same as he does here concerning Selrahc. Maybe there will come a day where after he mislynched someone he starts to think: 'Ok I was wrong so maybe my victim was right. Lets try that for a change'.
Additional:
You and (especially) Meiz played a really strong game. Given the setup was very villagefriendly it was a great deed to win.
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(January 6th, 2013, 14:09)Rowain Wrote: Well it is always an evolution. If you look back the RB-WW history you see that (especially) wolves have upped their play considerable. Maybe it is time that the crazie and lazy up their play too so that the village has again a chance without needing uber-special-powers. Although after the last day I rather fear we have a devolution.
Just a thought, but it might help the village out if people stopped talking of day one as a "crapshoot". Personally, that biases me to think of day one as unimportant. In reality it's actually probably the most important day, especially for the 'lazies'. If you are involved in day one you beyond just reading, it becomes much easier to follow the arguments involved and allows you to somewhat shape the thread rather than just being led by whatever somebody else (of uncertain alignment) is on about.
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Who bites it tonight (if anyone)? I'd guess Serdoa. One of the more active players.
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(January 6th, 2013, 15:30)Meiz Wrote: Who bites it tonight (if anyone)? I'd guess Serdoa. One of the more active players.
That would be a mistake by the scum. Serdoa is on confrontation-course with novice, Selrahc, uberfish and some erratic anger from Qg too. Besides there is a high risk he gets jailed. rather someone like zak or Lewwyn. someone who didn't not take a huge part in day 1 but is still dangerous.
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I'd kill Zak in absence of a better option.
I'll guess the scum kills someone else though...
I've got some dirt on my shoulder, can you brush it off for me?
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Well they tried to get Serdoa and got blocked by his jacket and a good vig-shot killing Bigger too.
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(January 6th, 2013, 17:18)Rowain Wrote: Well they tried to get Serdoa and got blocked by his jacket and a good vig-shot killing Bigger too.
Yeah, double whammy for scum.
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(January 6th, 2013, 17:18)Rowain Wrote: Well they tried to get Serdoa and got blocked by his jacket and a good vig-shot killing Bigger too.
Which would make me wonder if Serdoa was being particularly dangerous for them, except I would actually expect an attempted frame job ...
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Oh and welcome here Bigger. Looks like it doesn't matter how you play you die early anyway 
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(January 6th, 2013, 17:33)Rowain Wrote: Oh and welcome here Bigger. Looks like it doesn't matter how you play you die early anyway
yeah, the vig is a dick. hahaha. i don't mind as much being night killed though.
I like lurking day 1, its not ending anytime soon. If anything the idjits who are giving me shit about it, while merovich, waterbat, and some others lurked even more than me, have just convinced me I need to lurk even harder on day 1. Eventually I'm going to be convinced to post a vote on day 1 and not a damn thing else. I might not even vote day 1  .
(January 5th, 2013, 13:52)Gaspar Wrote: OMG WITH THE CARD META. ITS A CARD WHICH TURNS THE HOLDER INTO MILLER/GODFATHER. IT IS BASICALLY THE LEAST IMPORTANT ITEM IN THE GAME. STOP ARGUING ABOUT IT. WE ARE ALL DUMBER FOR HAVING LISTENED TO THIS.
yeah, pretty much. the card was a terrific distraction for us (much thanks Rowain).
(January 6th, 2013, 00:59)Injera Wrote: (January 5th, 2013, 21:38)Gaspar Wrote: Second part first - novice had to claim, he's overwhelmingly the most likely player ever to get scanned as he is probably the only player who is both awesome scum and awesome town.
That was my first thought too but I was thinking about it some more assuming he's village. Unfortunately I'm thinking in circles as it gets really complicated without knowing which alignment controls which items. It's not straightforward, though. I think the best play would be to claim at the end of night. What a crazy game. Normally I'm opposed to earlier vig but in this game I think I'd be taking a shot every night at the most paranoid-minded folks, because the meta will get pretty twisted. In some ways that's the best reason not to claim the card at all.
Hey wait, didn't novice promise to pass the card tonight?
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(January 5th, 2013, 20:48)Lewwyn Wrote: SMH
I told you guys that Rowain was just being Rowain. I can't believe you guys let the scum get away with that.
Does that seem a bit forced? Lewwyn knows as well as anyone that the scum aren't trying to get anyone in particular lynched on Day 1. He was also really eager to hop on to Tasunke and then MJW at the start of the day.
well not really. I could have saved Rowain, but didn't want too  .
I'll say this: as scum, I had my own motivations. gaspar pretty much nailed them down earlier in this thread. BUT, if I had been village in this game, I'm pretty damn sure I would want to lynch Rowain #1, and not Tasunke. (Tasunke WAS very anti-town, but Tasunke always acts chaotic and strange, I probably would have given a pass to him). Rowain, the whole idea lynch novice was just terrible. the fool card is such a non-issue. it really is not that powerful, and didn't even factor into our night actions. honestly, if I was village I would have been on the novice/uber/selrahc side of your arguments full force. You and serdoa did a good job of calling everyone else idiots, but your arguments (especially Serdoa's) were obtuse and not productive to the village at all, imo. and mostly wrong.
And as for letting yourself get lynched - well at the risk of spoiling, I'll say this: Tasunke was lying, he has *no item*. pretty sure the village would be better off with you alive and him dead 
(January 5th, 2013, 17:49)xenin Wrote: I'm lurking! Which is probably a good thing, since if I was playing I'd have to policy lynch MJW, tasunke, ryan and qqqqqq just to make the thread less painful to read.
you should start playing again. I enjoyed reading the old games you played in, wish more of the old timers would come back. Games are more fun in the 20-22 range of players, imo, than 15-18. Pling should start playing again too :P.
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