Pitboss 17 Organizing Thread

[BaII]

Barbarians: On / Off
Starting units: Everyone starts with a scout
Huts: Off
Random Events: Off
Espionage: Passive only (no spies)
Corporations: Off
Vassals: Off
Difficulty: Monarch

These should be banned:
War Elephants: Agree
Nukes: Agree
Blockades: Agree
AP resolutions: Agree
Statue of Zeus: Agree
Cristo Redentor: Agree
The Great Lighthouse: Agree

Regardless of pick method we should ban these:
India: Agree
Inca: Agree
Pacal: Agree
Willem: Agree

Pick method: A

[slowcheetah]

I can't contain myself, I'm going to suggest method C for picking (since we have enough time before the game starts):

- Same as B, generating 30 random combos and tossing off the 6 weakest and 6 strongest ones
- A small group of lurkers then ranks all players (randomly in the case of completely unknown players)
- Players then take turns picking a combo each, lowest ranked player going first

To anyone who's going to claim I'm only suggesting this in order to get a personal advantage:
You're absolutely right

I don't really like C. I think the fact that this pitboss is greens/intermediate means that there is little to gain from giving the 'better' players of the group an artifical handicap.

[Catwalk]

Fair enough, although I don't understand why you disagree with handicaps in general. A quick look at the roster shows a considerable spread in skill level. Or are you just miffed about me going first and you going last?

[yuris125]

Any non-objective ranking of players is a controversial subject which will inevitably cause bad blood. Not mentioning other issues with this method - for example, some people (myself included) may not be interested in playing a game with starting handicaps, however minor they are

[2metraninja]

Barbarians: On
Starting units: Everyone starts with a scout
Huts: Off
Random Events: Off
Espionage: On
Corporations: On (why are those always banned BTW?)
Vassals: Off
Difficulty: Monarch

These should be banned:
War Elephants: Agree
Nukes: Disagree
Blockades: Disagree
AP resolutions: Disagree
Statue of Zeus: Disagree
Cristo Redentor: Agree
The Great Lighthouse: Disagree

Regardless of pick method we should ban these:
India: Disagree
Inca: Disagree
Pacal: Disagree
Willem: Disagree

Pick method: A

I am OK with picking method C proposed by Catwalk too. Here must be the place that I say I agree with Yuris that any ranking will be subjective, thus, bad blood is ensured. Also I must say I have previous experience with CIv4 MP so I am not completely "green", but I see some people with quite few games played at RB, it is just that I am not used to the RB way of playing civ. So if anyone feels uncomfortable with this, I am OK with handicapping system. I've played with "Tiers" assigning civs before and it worked quite well. So much for it.

[Jowy]

Barbarians: Off
Starting units: Everyone starts with a scout
Huts: Off
Random Events: Off
Espionage: Passive only (no spies)
Corporations: Off
Vassals: Off
Difficulty: Monarch

These should be banned:
War Elephants: Disagree
Nukes: Disagree
Blockades: Disagree
AP resolutions: Agree
Statue of Zeus: Disagree
Cristo Redentor: Disagree
The Great Lighthouse: Agree

Regardless of pick method we should ban these:
India: Agree
Inca: Agree
Pacal: Agree
Willem: Agree

Pick method: B

[Catwalk]

I don't think bad blood is ensured, but I agree that if there's any risk of creating bad blood it's a bad idea. Personally I'd be happy to get a low ranking (for the perks) and equally happy to get a high ranking (as a tiny acknowledgement that I've actually improved my game). If slowcheetah and yuris are set against the idea, I'm happy to drop it.

[yuris125]

Why are we even considering banning Great Lighthouse all of a sudden? In an AI diplo game, it's easy enough to keep closed borders with its owner

[Catwalk]

I think it should be up to the mapmaker. If he wants to create a coastal heavy map, it's a very strong wonder. I'd argue that it's easier to keep borders closed in a full diplo game, as you can make deals to isolate the lighthouse owner.

[yuris125]

Of course it's a strong wonder. Oracle is also a strong wonder. MoM is a strong wonder. Let's ban wonders completely, that will be fun
We ban SoZ because it takes a mechanic which is already unfun and amplifies it. I get that. I don't think any other wonder should be banned

In full diplo, GLH owner can include OB as condition for NAPs and other deals. In AI diplo, you're never under obligation to maintain OB