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[TECH] Pitboss 40 IT and Tech Issues Thread

#71
July 30th, 2018, 14:38
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FYI -- if someone ever bounces off me (and the issue isn't on their side), I've probably been an idiot and not disabled ufw ("universal firewall") before logging in. Upon notice, I can remedy that within about 15 seconds -- you'll have a good shot if you just wait a minute and try again.
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#72
July 31st, 2018, 18:06
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out of town for another 4 hours or so helping my buddy, if i could get a pause, Thanks!
"Superdeath seems to have acquired a rep for aggression somehow. [Image: noidea.gif] In this game that's going to help us because he's going to go to the negotiating table with twitchy eyes and slightly too wide a grin and terrify the neighbors into favorable border agreements, one-sided tech deals and staggered NAPs."
-Old Harry. PB48.
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#73
July 31st, 2018, 18:16
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paused
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#74
August 1st, 2018, 04:13
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I can’t play the turn right now, I need to sleep, and there isn’t very much time left on the clock. Please make sure that the turn stays paused.
Participated in: Pitboss 40 (lurked by Mr. Cairo), Pitboss 45 (lurked by Charriu and chumchu), Pitboss 63 (replaced Mr. Cairo), Pitboss 66, Pitboss 69, Pitboss 74
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#75
August 1st, 2018, 05:01 (This post was last modified: August 1st, 2018, 05:38 by Coeurva.)
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superdeath played his turn in pb39 during the pause (but not here). I thought we had something special.

I'm not sure which of you is making the other wait, if either, but I'd ask that you play your turns somewhat earlier today if at all feasible (or get a lurker, dedicated or not, to play with instructions). We're looking at 1t per 3 edit: closer to 2 - 2.5 days here (the turn will roll while most Europeans are asleep, and not all of them can always play in the morning).
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#76
August 1st, 2018, 07:57
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Slight miscommunication, sorry for the delay! ( paused for magic )
"Superdeath seems to have acquired a rep for aggression somehow. [Image: noidea.gif] In this game that's going to help us because he's going to go to the negotiating table with twitchy eyes and slightly too wide a grin and terrify the neighbors into favorable border agreements, one-sided tech deals and staggered NAPs."
-Old Harry. PB48.
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#77
August 1st, 2018, 12:08
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Turn rolled. Sorry for the unreasonably long delay on this turn, I will do my best to make sure that it doesn’t happen again.
Participated in: Pitboss 40 (lurked by Mr. Cairo), Pitboss 45 (lurked by Charriu and chumchu), Pitboss 63 (replaced Mr. Cairo), Pitboss 66, Pitboss 69, Pitboss 74
Participating in: Pitboss 78 (lurked by GT), Pitboss 79 (lurking giraflorens)

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#78
August 2nd, 2018, 01:21 (This post was last modified: August 2nd, 2018, 01:21 by Charriu.)
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I wanted to ask it in my own thread, but thought that this might interest others, too and should be common knowledge between all players. I have some questions about those fish for fish and copper for copper trade, because I never had to deal with them and would like to know more about it:

  1. Does it really need to be fish for fish or are other similar trades like wheat for wheat or crab for crab equal to this trade? Same for copper and it's alternatives (iron, horse)
  2. As far as I know fish for fish should signal the other side that they want a peaceful relation. How binding is this? What keeps the other side from accepting the deal and declaring war the next turn?
  3. If I want to go to war with the other side in a few turns and get a fish for fish deal, I should decline, right? But wouldn't that tell the other side immediately that I will not remain peaceful?
  4. As far as I know copper for copper should signal the other side, that we should attack another player together, right?
  5. Are there any other meanings behind those deals that I should be aware of?
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#79
August 2nd, 2018, 01:48 (This post was last modified: August 2nd, 2018, 03:44 by Coeurva.)
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(August 2nd, 2018, 01:21)Charriu Wrote: I wanted to ask it in my own thread, but thought that this might interest others, too and should be common knowledge between all players. I have some questions about those fish for fish and copper for copper trade, because I never had to deal with them and would like to know more about it:

  1. Does it really need to be fish for fish or are other similar trades like wheat for wheat or crab for crab equal to this trade? Same for copper and it's alternatives (iron, horse)
  2. As far as I know fish for fish should signal the other side that they want a peaceful relation. How binding is this? What keeps the other side from accepting the deal and declaring war the next turn?
  3. If I want to go to war with the other side in a few turns and get a fish for fish deal, I should decline, right? But wouldn't that tell the other side immediately that I will not remain peaceful?
  4. As far as I know copper for copper should signal the other side, that we should attack another player together, right?
  5. Are there any other meanings behind those deals that I should be aware of?
Opinions:

1. Yes, resource for identical resource usually signals cooperative intent etc.
2. Not binding at all, and nothing except that you show that you're not always trustworthy, which confers advantages (not being easy to read) and disadvantages (less likely to get a demilitarized border when it would be useful etc.). In PB37, you were more likely to get attacked by the other party to a fish/fish deal than anyone else; absolutely nobody objected, and it should be that way, because otherwise we're just playing full diplo supported by an amusing party game where we can't use the words "gamelong NAP" etc.
3. You can do whatever you want, and fish/fishing for intent constantly shouldn't be rewarded imo -- cooperation should be motivated by mutual ingame benefits, not some bizarre invocation of "honour" (honour is relevant but fish/fish has nothing to do with it). It's about Civ.
4. It's deliberately vague.
5. They're deliberately vague.
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#80
August 2nd, 2018, 21:56
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If you treat sheep for sheep as a peace agreement, other people in later games might be inclined to trust you and you can negotiate a positive sum relationship that way. Or they could have not read your thread or feel like they are just playing a video game and attack you anyway. rolf

I think such trades have shown to be low enough bandwidth and high enough ambiguity that they are all fine as long as you don't hack it to send text or numbers.
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