[SPOILER] vanrober and BAII

[vanrober]

Hard days in here to report, 12 ppl in a house making thinks and too much stuff to do xD

So i asked some fur to lazteuq and he gave me some and i asked plemo for 150 but he didnt accept. he has more than 1000 so i think he is preparing a huge engage into someone ithink getting gold for maybe upgrade. Whatever, if im going to b the victim i wont be able to do much. I hope he engages into el grillo and make the match more interesting.

Still making cats and since im not seeing anyone atacking me im going to gold some cities and try to get some tech.

Ramk has everything in the border vs plemo, el grillo too. GKC is far from me eventhough he could try to atack me from the sea. Maybe superdead atack me after mjmd, but i think lazteuq wont let him take me without fighting him. We ll see

[vanrober]

The end is coming too soon. El grillo seems to come to kill me.

Several knights and galleons, so i guess there's not much to do. I ll try to get some opposition but with this difference of tech it wont be enough.

This are the knights

   

This are the galleons that i asume are full of knights too

   

This are my units 

   

This is the power diff, obv with the tech diff is really high.

   

This is what im producing, i ll try to whip to ground my cities

   

Finally i asked plemo, lazteuq and GKC some gold so i can finally get machinery and build some better units

[Suite]

How are the diplomatic relations between El Grillo and the other powers? Good thing you asked for money. I'd gladly give you subsidies when you would fight my neighbor for me. Keep your stack together and wait patiently for a good opportunity to throw your catapults at him, even if it means you're losing cities. Do you know the combat simulator, Vodka? Just in case: https://zulan.net/civ/vodka/ for simulating outcomes when stacks clash. Good luck!

[vanrober]

How are the diplomatic relations between El Grillo and the other powers? Good thing you asked for money. I'd gladly give you subsidies when you would fight my neighbor for me. Keep your stack together and wait patiently for a good opportunity to throw your catapults at him, even if it means you're losing cities. Do you know the combat simulator, Vodka? Just in case:     https://zulan.net/civ/vodka/     for simulating outcomes when stacks clash. Good luck!

I didnt know the simulator, i entered into a custom game and with map edition i put the 2 stacks and save, and try several times. But i guess this is quicker, so i really apreciate!


Im not sure how to know how are the diplomacy between them, so if you could tell me more about it i d love to hear. Im afraid of having played before him since if i whip i wont be able to make that unit happen before his atack, so im not sure whether i should enter now to see if he declared war or if i should "force" to play kind of last. not sure if thats legal either.


I thought they wouldnt atack e since there is a strong oponent in the other part of any of them. If grillo atacks, plemo can go for him, if superdead atack lazteuq can go vs him... My land is to juicy for any of those pro gave him free to anyone, i thought that could be my strength. But im not sure.

[vanrober]

It seems the war is in next turn. I finally decided that if im going to lose as its obv it wont matter if im first or last, and its better for our horaries me playing first.

So his army is now coming and im not sure i will be able to defend it. we ll see.

   

[vanrober]

So the war has begun. I have been simulating a lot with vodka and with map editor and that stack could conquer both cities without much problem, i didnt want that happening and then i sim if i could take them out.

Knowing that ElGrillo is in peace with Plemo since 880AD and this turn is 980AD so half of the peace is over, thats why i wanted to slow him down to get time till plemo hopefully joins war and dont let ElGrillo make the game, If he doesnt join i wont have power enough to hold him and he will get my beautiful land. Lazteuq is in war with superdead and doesnt give me nothing either, GKC and Ramk are in war too and doesnt help me either. So either Plemo change his mind or ElGrillo wins I think.

Like I have 10 cats which i think is a lot, and several impis too i forced it and asked for peace afterwords (maybe it rings the bell).

The combat finally ended as me getting a GG and: 

Vanrober loses: 9 cats 2 impis= 50*9 + 35*2 = 520 h lost

ElGrillo loses: 11 knights = 11*90= 990 h lost

For now it has been worth. But i left undefended city next to a galleon that i am praying its empty.

I am whipping in all cities impis and cats, i think it is the only thing worth right now, and maybe i should start making some crossbowmans but if he keeps bringing knights i think its not worth.

This is how i left the map right now inspired in Pindicator's threads

   

This is power graf and demos

       

This is what units i have still

   

If you want to see any other information ask for it and ill try to bring it!

[Suite]

10 catapults left after you hit the knights? That's not bad at all. As your economy is getting weaker and weaker, you'll want to work commerce tiles and/or whip away mines. I'm interested in the power graph next round, hehe.

[vanrober]

10 catapults left after you hit the knights? That's not bad at all. As your economy is getting weaker and weaker, you'll want to work commerce tiles and/or whip away mines. I'm interested in the power graph next round, hehe.

I already have some cities with 2 of pop so im working the food tiles instead of cottages, i feel unable to make economics work. But i feel like im learning something, yesterday i won the first game in emperor. I had the feeling of being god afterwords (then i came into this game and the feeling desapeered hehehe)

[vanrober]

So ElGrillo refused the peace offer and i dont want to bother in asking him again, i think he might be pissed off ( or at least surprised) when he saw that i destroyed almost completely his knights. 

Finally Plemo saw what was happening and saw that he has to help me, he gave me 100 gold, which i used to promote an archer into +bow. He also resent me the copper for copper so i guess we are war buddys.

   

In the second part of the turn he destroyed me an impi and 2 trirremes, I expected those galleons full but they werent since he didnt atack my city that had just an archer. so i keep having just one archer and going full to the border cities.

The combat finally ended as me getting a GG and: 

Vanrober loses: 9 cats 2 impis= 50*9 + 35*2 = 520 h lost

ElGrillo loses: 11 knights = 11*90= 990 h lost

So after that the counter is: 

Vanrober loses: 9 cats and 3 impis and 2 trirremes= 655 h

ElGrillo loses: 11knights= 990 h

Still worth in hammers. Now it came another bunch of stuff, eventhough some of his knights are damaged its likely that i ll lose 11 units, but i wont lose the city yet.

This is the situation now:

   

This are the demos and power graff, no big changes between both turns, im scared!

       

And again, anything you want to see or any question just ask for it!

[Suite]

The spike comes in the next round. I would have left the city. Now your army is spread and he can take out your southern half without many losses.