[spoilers] Pindicator and Regoarrarr - Bismark of Ethiopia

[regoarrarr]

Research builds are multiplied by forges, not libraries.

Yeah. I was going to point that out last night but a) I didn't want to make Pindicator feel bad and b) I was going to pretend to give him the benefit of the doubt that he just meant that we would be getting both the ability to build wealth and the 25% from the libraries on the base commerce, but not that they were related

[pindicator]

Research builds are multiplied by forges, not libraries.

I know, that's why a said "couple" of beakers. The city is only pulling in a little commerce; that still gets multiplied, right?

And while we're picking at nits...

Yeah. I was going to point that out last night but a) I didn't want to make Pindicator feel bad and b) I was going to pretend to give him the benefit of the doubt that he just meant that we would be getting both the ability to build wealth and the 25% from the libraries on the base commerce, but not that they were related

I know what we can build at Alphabet, and it ain't Wealth :neenernee

[regoarrarr]

I know what we can build at Alphabet, and it ain't Wealth :neenernee

I was just referring to the lightning fast speed at which we'll get Currency.

So with our economy coming back up and having teched Alphabet, if we get a scientist, do we want to tech Math by hand? If we have Alpha and Math, and if we don't have Meditation (or Drama / CoL), it looks like we'll bulb Aesthetics, if I'm reading that right, which would be ....

If we clear Aesthetics it would bulb Calendar which would be oh so much more useful...

[regoarrarr]

So Pindicator and I played the turn on chat, but just to keep our tons of ded-lurkers (and nitpickers) up-to-date, here's what we decided.



* We founded a new city, Deep Thoughts, in the filler location east of the capital. It is currently working a new FP cottage and cost us 2gpt total. There is a workboat on the way to net those fish once borders pop in 8t
* We got a free spread of Christianity to one of Cyneheard's cities (now 9 cities worldwide). We also have a missionary finishing at EOT, which we were originally going to send to Deep Thoughts, we are changing to send to Commodore, once we can open borders.
* Pindicator micro'd us to get Alphabet in 2t, so we should hopefully get OB at that point. We have 6 3c cities with trade routes and 4 with 2c routes, so we should gain 4gpt with open borders, and 30cpt once currency gets in (assuming we can have enough OB to get a full set of 3c trade routes)
* We are diverting some of our chops near our new city of Hanukkah Song into an archer and axe, just to give us some assurances against Yuri. He's definitely posturing and I think he's planning an attack. If he comes at us with axes and cats there's not much we can do at this point.
* GP due in 9t, which would give us 7t to research Iron Working, which should be doable with Research builds.
* Cyneheard now has Currency also
* Settler in One Ton of Fanmail is going east to seal the border vs. Azza in the banana jungle area.

We talked some thoughts about some more macro-level strategy in the upcoming turns, which obviously I will save for another post (I mean who do you think I am?!!?!? )

[regoarrarr]

Our thought is that we're heading down the bottom of the tree. For a few reasons.

* We're going for the hammer economy. Pindicator has mentioned a few times that he wants to try out the new caste workshops, which turn a flat grassland into a 1/3/0 tile. Guilds still adds a hammer which makes them 1/4 tiles. On river tiles we can just build a workshop (1/3/1) or we can make a watermill at Machinery, which makes a grass river 2/2/1.
* Plus the Apostolic Palace which we should hopefully land in 10-15t.
* We actually do have pretty good land. We're average in total land count (122 tiles) and unfortunately we're about out of land to (peacefully) expand to, whereas folks like Nakor still have huge swaths in ex-plakoville. Still once we get the jungle cleared out its a lot of grass, and a lot of RIVER grass

* So OTOF will build a settler for the eastern jungly banana site as I mentioend, and then probably build another settler after that for the double seafood island site to our south. And... that's probably it for city sites. We're hemmed in by Krill and Azza in the east. There's a corn city site to the west of Hanukkah Song but I doubt we get there before Yuri or Cyneheard.

Tech Path:
* Alphabet (due BOT 128)
* Iron Working (~135)
* Mathematics (either bulbed T135 or teched next)
* Currency (with double pre-req goodness!)
* Calendar (we have 2 banana, 3 spices, 1 silk and 2 sugar)
* Metal Casting

That should take us pretty close to ... forever but then probably something along the lines of

* Code of Laws
* Machinery
* Monarchy / Feudalism
* Guilds
* Gunpowder (Note that Gunpowder CAN be traded if someone techs Paper, though I don't know what we woudl get for it - maybe money?)

Cue Yuri attacking us in 3... 2... 1...

[regoarrarr]

I really do like the changes in RB Mod. Specifically I am enjoying the fact that there seems to not always be ONE... RIGHT... PATH...

except for the fact that now there are so many worthwhile civics it feels like SPI is the ORP....

Slavery is nerfed (definitely feeling the pain on that - cant easily get 2 axes / 2 missionaries with a single double whip, or we can't immediately double whip a LH or triple whip a library / settler). It's hard to break the mindset of always wanting to whip everything. We are going to try the hammer economy as I mentioned but Caste scares me in case of an attack (and we do have multiple AGG neighbors, not to mention Krill )

We talked about going all Apolyton Demogame on everyone and using drafted Oromos, and we may still do that but... the draft is also nerfed. Still 1 pop to draft a musket but it goes from 8->7 (9->7 for a rifle). 1 pop drafting requires 18fpt for an every turn globe death camp. Actually Coneheads can get pretty close to that if it borrows both seafood from the (current) capital.

[regoarrarr]

Pretty good city here for Yuri, no?



Not to mention the iron that you can't see because we don't have IW.... Sure wouldn't mind double gems.... Guess that gives us something to shoot for down the road

I had to swap over to 1 additional coast this turn to get Alpha, but we should be good. GP born in 8t and Hernan Cortes, who was born a few turns ago in a distant land, died this past turn. Actually he died earlier THIS turn, which means it's likely that it's Commodore's general who was killed this turn by Cyneheard

[pindicator]

I decided to check out the game quick before going off to work, and the good news is we can get Iron Working in 7 turns at 0% science with only CPH and either CL or CJ Building Research.

Of course, like all other good news in this thread there's a "bad news" section to go along with it. This time I mis-clicked while I was in there and the galley that is supposed to take our missionary away got moved to the northeast

[regoarrarr]

I decided to check out the game quick before going off to work, and the good news is we can get Iron Working in 7 turns at 0% science with only CPH and either CL or CJ Building Research.

Of course, like all other good news in this thread there's a "bad news" section to go along with it. This time I mis-clicked while I was in there and the galley that is supposed to take our missionary away got moved to the northeast

You're fired. Did you offer OB to anyone? We should offer it to at least Commodore and not end turn till we see if he accepts

[pindicator]

You're fired. Did you offer OB to anyone? We should offer it to at least Commodore and not end turn till we see if he accepts

No, I checked out city builds first and after that moved our workboat by Krill. That's when the misclick happened -- I need to get a mouse with a heavier right mouse button. After that I figured I better get out before I messed more things up.

But besides offering OBs, I think we should do as much Research Builds as we think we can get away with. If we get IW early then we can simply get a head start on Currency.