Diplomacy Master Thread- Helping Your Opponents Beat Themselves

[kjn]

The no-scouting clause is fine. After all, we can use spies instead.

[mostly_harmless]

I am fine with the WPC proposal.
On the point of scouting:
Remember that we were not really surprised by civplayers landing the Oracle, because of our C&D numbers. As kjn can tell you getting those numbers match up becomes increasingly more difficult with each turn. Every city tile we defog will help immensely constraining the system kjn has to solve.

Mh

[novice]

I am fine with the WPC proposal.
On the point of scouting:
Remember that we were not really surprised by civplayers landing the Oracle, because of our C&D numbers. As kjn can tell you getting those numbers match up becomes increasingly more difficult with each turn. Every city tile we defog will help immensely constraining the system kjn has to solve.

Mh

But either way I imagine we'll have to change our C&D efforts eventually to tracking graphs and using Alphabet to track techs.

[scooter]

Headed to bed so I'm just going to leave this here, but we just got this from CFC:

Hi Scooter / RB,

That sounds like a good idea to us. Are you thinking full Open Borders, or just for the trade routes with "no scouting" allowed?

Glad to hear you're getting along with your neighbors. Still no sign of Impis in our part of the world, so we should be ok as long as we can keep the Barbs at bay. Our mutual military struggle brings us closer together.

Regarding our border agreement ideas, we will be settling a city that is around this area very soon, which is why we wanted to open up discussions again. This city will have the Oasis in the BFC. We respect this halfway-point landmark, however, so this is as far West as we will settle.

Caledorn for Team CFC

[Fintourist]

Headed to bed so I'm just going to leave this here, but we just got this from CFC:

Hi Scooter / RB,

That sounds like a good idea to us. Are you thinking full Open Borders, or just for the trade routes with "no scouting" allowed?

Glad to hear you're getting along with your neighbors. Still no sign of Impis in our part of the world, so we should be ok as long as we can keep the Barbs at bay. Our mutual military struggle brings us closer together.

Regarding our border agreement ideas, we will be settling a city that is around this area very soon, which is why we wanted to open up discussions again. This city will have the Oasis in the BFC. We respect this halfway-point landmark, however, so this is as far West as we will settle.

Caledorn for Team CFC

That sounds like there is something delicious east of the oasis, but we are not going to settle that area probably anytime soon so it's reasonable for them to have it. We can later take that city by force!

[Nicolae Carpathia]

They clearly want to stay on our good side with the opening paragraph.

Sucks that we won't be getting control over the Oasis. Oh well, make up for it by taking land from our other neighbours.

Question, who did we predict would be to our southwest?

[kjn]

Well, if CFC settle the area around the oasis before us, we can't stop them - they will beat us in the settling race.

That said, I'd like some clarification on what they mean with "oasis in the BFC". I'd like to make sure it doesn't interfere with a city by the banana and spices or by the southern corn.

Here's how I read it:

1E, 1NE, 2E, 2E1S of the oasis: OK
1N, 1SE of the oasis: not OK

[mostly_harmless]

Well, in theory, they could settle on the oasis "column" based on the current deal.
That they inform us about their city placement is a good sign.
And there is nothing we can do to prevent it. And we shouldn't. We have a deal, they are obeying the rules and they even informed us about the city placement. Fine.

We should discuss how we want to handle the no-scouting option here. I am in favour of scouting out their territory. Obviously for C&R reasons but also because we can't wait for airships to reveal our neighbours land.

And if we surround ourselves with no-scouting deals, how are we going to meet the remaining 4 civs?

mh

[scooter]

Given that they're asking us about the city, it makes sense for them to let us make the scout/no-scout decision. We're in a short window here where we could ask favors of them probably.

Yes, first thing we want to do is figure out what part of the Oasis they'll get. I'll ask them exactly where in relation to the Oasis they plan to settle.

One thing - tomorrow afternoon I'll be headed out of town for Thanksgiving, and I'll be gone until Sunday night. It might be good for someone to function as temporary diplomat during that time in case a message needs a quick response, as I won't really be doing any of this stuff during that time. Any volunteers?

[scooter]

Sent to CFC:

Caledorn,

We were thinking full open borders would be nice. Is that OK with you?

One clarifying question on the Oasis site - can you tell me where in the BFC that Oasis is? By that I mean, what tile in relation to the Oasis are you planning on settling?

Thanks,
scooter - Team RB