Werewolf 3 Game Thread

[MJW (ya that one)]

Triple post! The reason I metagame for the first few days while playing werewolf is that Team good has nothing else to do. Nothing else has happened.

[Ichabod]

First of all, thanks to the votes of trust PB and scooter. I'm still not sure about launching an official campaign, since I have doubts about my ability in decision-making.

Anyway, rest assured that I won't make hasty decisions regarding important topics. It's not my nature and I'll be trying to prove to myself that I can't make good decisions during this game

For those not happy with the MJW-lynch I propose 2 alternates:

1) Bobchillingworth: Not only does he claim to have an extraordinary perception in the case of smel. His voting is also very peculiar:
He does vote novice as Mayor but at the same time he shows clear disrespect towards novice as he votes to lynch MJW! the very same person novice tries to protect.

2) sandover: Also strange voting behaviour. first he votes Lewwyn as Mayor and then he turns 180 degrees and want Lewwyn lynched! additional he wants the current number1 target MJW as Mayor.

About Bob: I think he was just playing with the roreplay when we cast the vote to lynch MJW. That together with the whole disregard for the importance of the first day voting that we seemed to have in the first two games (before the turning points of those days, the PB seer claim and the Roland books about Sandover :neenernee) and is repeating itself here.

So, I don't think the vote for MJW means much.

The novice vote for mayor could be based on the WW1 game, where novice played nicely.

Overall, I think bob was more eager to write his roleplaying story than stop to think about the votes.

But, I'll it'd be interesting to hear bob's rationale behind his votes.


About Sandover: I think that the vote for Lewwin makes sense. It's a vote that I'd be willing to accept (not necessarely agree, but accept the reasoning behind it), if we hadn't have more time for discussion (since we have more time, I think we should wait some more before make any decision).

Lewwin reasoning behind not taking his vote of MJW is bad (bad is not a good word... maybe frail... Language problem, sorry about that). Of course we don't have proofs that he's not a wolf. The problem is that we don't have proofs that he is one.

And I'm not talking about definitive proofs here, because we won't have them easily (we need to confirm the seer or get a mason reveal the other mason before he's killed to have definitive proof in this game of the villager status of someone - or lynch someone, of course). But there's nothing that makes MJW more likely to be a wolf (or a villager, for the matter) than me, for instance. So I don't see a reason to vote for him.

But I'm not saying to jump at Lewwin. He's probably asleep right now and I see his last post as some sort of ending the day before going to sleep thing. He'll probably post more detailed info behind his vote later.

And, continuing on the Sandover deal. Since his first vote was probably some kind of joke vote like everybody was doing, I still don't see why we should use it to get any judgement done about his voting pattern. Even the Lewwin vote is more like an information gathering thing than a proper accusation.

[zakalwe]

Ok I got caught up on the thread just now. Some really nice role-play so far! As you can tell I don't intend to write every post in-character, but I'll try to keep some role-play going in between.

Regarding the lynch: Day 1 is always going to be fairly arbitrary, so in that sense I don't mind lynching MJW. If we are going to lynch a villager, he certainly seems expendable.

Of course, it would be even better to lynch an actual wolf, and I have to agree with Novice that MJW seems innocent so far. I can see where Uberfish is coming from with his comments that the wolves might like to see MJW hang around, and therefore defend him. But realistically, I don't really think the wolves care who gets lynched at this point, as long as it's not a wolf. (Did you guys ever try to swing the vote towards one villager rather than another in WW1?)

So I will stick with Novice as my mayor candidate; I think he is defending MJW simply because he believes him to be innocent, and lynching an innocent is suboptimal, even for Day 1. (Unless we do reprise WW1 and lynch the fool; that would be a pretty good outcome. )

As others have noted, piling on to MJW at this point also makes it really easy for the wolves to lay low, so I will not do that, even if I haven't got any other compelling candidates yet. I think we would benefit from a little more action on Day 1, so there's more to analyze later.

[Roland]

[QUOTE=Irgy;119739On the whole, I've reached my first conclusion: MJW is a villager. If he was a wolf, the other wolves would have put a leash on him and told him to keep a bit quieter and make some more sense. That he's posted like mad unconstrained suggests no-one is there controlling him.

Either that or it's all a second-guess ploy. Actually why don't I just save myself the trouble and put that in my signature...[/quote]

As much as I agree with your deduction, your reasoning behind such is completely flawed. There is NO WAY to control MJW - period. Short of sticking him to a tree with a few arrows, he'll keep running around ranting like a lunatic until the 'Wolves themselves rip him to shreds just to shut him up!

Oh, and I vote novice and Lewwyn. :neenernee

[Ichabod]

Sorry, Lewwyn, I wrote your name wrong on the last post.

About MJW:

Uberfish, I don't think that having MJW around is a good thing for the wolves. Why? Because I doubt that MJW can cause any confusion, since nobody listens to what he says (I'm not saying this is good, I'm just stating what I think is the reality here). So, he's more like the guy who can say a bunch of stuff, but nobody will care.

Not particurally beneficial for the wolves.

So, if you are voting to lynch MJW based on the fact he will only be prejudicial to the village, just don't read his posts instead. That way, if he is a villager, at least he's counting as one for the sake of deciding who will win the game.

MAYOR VOTE:

I'll vote for Rowain as mayor for now. I like his post that brought us alternatives to the lynch vote without making any red font accusations. That's a good spirit for a mayor, IMO.

[scooter]

I'll vote for Rowain as mayor for now. I like his post that brought us alternatives to the lynch vote without making any red font accusations. That's a good spirit for a mayor, IMO.

This is a very good point - I'd like our mayor to be someone fairly open-minded, so as to not get tunnel vision on a vote. Therefore, I will change my vote for mayor to Rowain

[Bobchillingworth]

Overall, I think bob was more eager to write his roleplaying story than stop to think about the votes.

But, I'll it'd be interesting to hear bob's rationale behind his votes.

I actually was planning on writing every post in-character, but I think that might get tiresome quickly, not to mention unhelpful (plus I already used up like half the noir cliches I know ) I'll try to write at least one moderate-to-large in-character post per in-game day, though. I hope that others will join me in this endeavor!


Anyway, as you suggested, I was more interested in setting the right RP tone than the vast strategic implications of my Day 1 vote. MJW does appeal to me as a lynch target more than anyone else right now largely because I find the majority of his posts to be incomprehensible, and those which do make sense almost inevitably display dismally poor taste and/or judgment. Trying to introduce metagaming tricks similar to those which got him role-blocked in WW2 (and which were universally unpopular plus already explicitly addressed by Sareln) with his initial posts is grounds enough to get him out of the game, with the paucity of dirt we have on anyone else. And he was by his own admission considering "fake role-claiming"- even if he's playing for Team Village, which I am presently by no means convinced of, he's a crazy liability.


As for voting for novice, it's cause' he's so clean and articulate that I think he's very electable He made clear, rational arguments in WWI, and I believe that we can trust him to at least weigh the evidence and explain his reasoning if he does have to make a mayor call. Unless he's a wolf, but that's a risk for any mayoral candidate at this stage. Just because I'm voting him for mayor doesn't mean I have to agree with his every judgment

But realistically, I don't really think the wolves care who gets lynched at this point, as long as it's not a wolf. (Did you guys ever try to swing the vote towards one villager rather than another in WW1?)

Not in any really organized way. We did make sure we had enough votes to get PB lynched on Day 1, but we also were very careful to spread out our votes. My constant voting with Sciz was a total accident. Combined with the villagers keeping close watch on who switched votes to whom when, trying to rig the votes to not only kill villagers but specific ones would have been too risky. Especially since the seer was gone very early on, so after Day 1 there wasn't even anyone who we really had to prioritize like that.


Not to say that this batch of wolves will behave the same way, but I think it's unlikely they'll risk it- doubly so since they don't have a devil to ferret out special role villagers.

[MJW (ya that one)]

You failed to read the thread aggesively. I did not get role-blocked for metagaming or F&I lied. It is just not in your style to say someone lied just like that.

Saying I am anti-village is not good enough to lych someone. Every lych matters a lot. Now saying that I would waste a lyched near the endgame no matter what; like I said with Irgy, would be a good reason.

[fire&ice]

Triple post! The reason I metagame for the first few days while playing werewolf is that Team good has nothing else to do. Nothing else has happened.

Sit down and calm down us villages should not be cheating to get what we want I mean come on none of us realy have anything to do so their is no reason for you to bother complaining about this.

You failed to read the thread aggesively. I did not get role-blocked for metagaming or F&I lied. It is just not in your style to say someone lied just like that.

Saying I am anti-village is not good enough to lych someone. Every lych matters a lot. Now saying that I would waste a lyched near the endgame no matter what; like I said with Irgy, would be a good reason.

And this from left field in either the wrong thread or completely off topic is why people are chosing to lycnh you.

MJW for now young padawn

[uberfish]

Well it's the first day so there's not that much to go on (until someone role-claims in 24 hours or so. :P)